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The Atlantic pushes killing for organs
LifeSiteNews ^ | 3/24/15 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 03/25/2015 8:28:58 AM PDT by wagglebee

March 24, 2015 (NationalReview.com) -- I have repeatedly warned about articles published in medical and bioethics journals advocating killing the profoundly disabled or dying for their organs.

The assault on the “dead donor rule” has now filtered down to the popular media. The Atlantic has an article advocating that dying patients be killed for their organs rather than having to actually, you know, die first. From, “As They Lay Dying:”

A more useful ethical standard could involve the idea of “imminent death.” Once a person with a terminal disease reaches a point when only extraordinary measures will delay death; when use (or continued use) of these measures is incompatible with what he considers a reasonable quality of life; and when he therefore decides to stop aggressive care, knowing that this will, in relatively short order, mean the end of his life, we might say that death is “imminent.”

If medical guidelines could be revised to let people facing imminent death donate vital organs under general anesthesia, we could provide patients and families a middle ground—a way of avoiding futile medical care, while also honoring life by preventing the deaths of other critically ill people.

Moreover, healthy people could incorporate this imminent-death standard into advance directives for their end-of-life care. They could determine the conditions under which they would want care withdrawn, and whether they were willing to have it withdrawn in an operating room, under anesthesia, with subsequent removal of their organs.

There’s a name for that: Homicide. Doctors should never be killers, even for a “beneficial” purpose.

Moreover, some who are expected to die under such situations, actually don’t. The unconscious Karen Ann Quinlan is one example. She was expected to die when her respirator was removed. She actually lived another ten years.

The authors bring up an objection worth pondering:

Some may argue that such a model could compromise doctors’ care of critically ill patients. People who distrust the health-care system sometimes make similar arguments, accusing physicians of providing lesser care to those who have signed up to become organ donors.

In practice, though, a donor’s doctors have little connection to those involved with organ recovery, precisely so as to avoid any conflict of interest. We can’t imagine a scenario in which doctors would give a patient inferior care so that her organs could be procured.

I can. In fact, it happens already with medical futility and the push toward health care rationing.

Allowing doctors to kill patients during organ harvesting would be an acute threat, particularly in a medical milieu growing increasingly utilitarian in outlook, cost cutting in approach, and devaluing of the equal worth of all human life.

Knowing that doctors would kill for organs? I can’t think of a better way to sow distrust for the healthcare system generally, and organ transplant medicine specifically.

#verybadidea


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deathcare; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; organharvesting; palinwasright; prolife
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If medical guidelines could be revised to let people facing imminent death donate vital organs under general anesthesia, we could provide patients and families a middle ground—a way of avoiding futile medical care, while also honoring life by preventing the deaths of other critically ill people.

And then Obama's death panels could proceed to define "imminent death" however they choose.

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3 posted on 03/25/2015 8:29:51 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 03/25/2015 8:32:04 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

OK,so I’m dying in the hospital of a terminal disease.Is there some poison that I could ingest at the last moment that would render my organs useless?


5 posted on 03/25/2015 8:32:36 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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I am currently listed as an organ donor with my state’s DMV. That would change if the law changed to allow someone to decide I had lived long enough. Only God gets to make that decision. If that change in the law came about, I would reverse my declaration. Also, if I knew I would be killed so that my organs could be harvested, I would probably think of some way to ensure my body was too well decomposed after death to make that possible.


6 posted on 03/25/2015 8:34:54 AM PDT by Pecos (What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly.)
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Why not initiate a here-and-now trial program with the editorial staff of the Atlantic as donors?


7 posted on 03/25/2015 8:36:31 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Rope. Tree. Politician. Some assembly required.)
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To: wagglebee

The science fiction author Larry Niven extrapolated from today’s blood transfusions and organ transplants to a future where longevity is attained by advanced transplant technology. This created such a demand that the society had the death penalty for many, many things (income tax evasion, excess jaywalking) to meet the needs of the 250 year olds.

I can see that happening, once people have the choice of living another 80 years.

I’m also reminded that The Holocaust began as a medical program administered by doctors.


8 posted on 03/25/2015 8:36:44 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: wagglebee

The key here is to state to their face:

“oh, So you want a Master Race?”


9 posted on 03/25/2015 8:36:57 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama Hates America, Israel, Capitalism, Freedom, and Christianity.)
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In practice, though, a donor’s doctors have little connection to those involved with organ recovery, precisely so as to avoid any conflict of interest. We can’t imagine a scenario in which doctors would give a patient inferior care so that her organs could be procured.

I can. In fact, it happens already with medical futility and the push toward health care rationing.

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I would never agree to donate my organs, or allow anyone to harvest the organs of a loved one for this very reason.

10 posted on 03/25/2015 8:41:18 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee
The Atlantic has an article advocating that dying patients be killed for their organs

As a Christian in ethics and a Lockean in politics, I would strongly oppose any killing for the sake of harvesting body parts.

OTOH, as a sinful man and a church organist, I would be strongly tempted to do away with this one person if the result were that I could have her pipe organ...

11 posted on 03/25/2015 8:43:44 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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Talk show host Mike Gallagher would love this idea. He believes Americans have no right to control their own bodily organs and everyone should be forced to be an organ donor.
12 posted on 03/25/2015 8:54:42 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: DBrow
The science fiction author Larry Niven extrapolated from today’s blood transfusions and organ transplants to a future where longevity is attained by advanced transplant technology. This created such a demand that the society had the death penalty for many, many things (income tax evasion, excess jaywalking)

This might be the story that stopped me from reading any more Sci-Fi. The hero is shown escaping out of his cell and rampaging down the corridors, breaking tall glass columns of fluids containing organs. The hero knows he is going to die and figures he'll do as much damage as possible to The System. I remember the end, when Niven reveals the guy was in prison because the death penalty was lowered to the extremes you mention.

I used to be an avid reader of this genre, but it seemed that right after I read this story (ca late '60s), a news article came out reporting that China was now starting to use organs from executed criminals. That did it for me - too much Sci-Fi I had read was coming true and the stories had to reach much further and went out of my area of interest.

13 posted on 03/25/2015 9:00:04 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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If we took the organs from death row inmates as their restitution, the program would fund itself as states would save millions housing the scum.


14 posted on 03/25/2015 9:07:38 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Islam is the military wing of the Communist party.)
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To: wagglebee

Studies show liberals have the best organs. Do your organ shopping in leftist enclaves.


15 posted on 03/25/2015 9:08:38 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: Pecos
I took myself off the organ donor permission the first time it hit the papers that one doctor didn't mind helping death along for the organs...But if one lives as long as I have so far 76 I have copd, lungs not useful, I have unstable angina so that leaves my heart useless, Skin has severe psoriasis, so that makes my skin not to useful, Have IBS, anything related to the GI system not usable, only organ that is healthy is liver, I am taking care of that with my favorite drink, namely bourbon. Don't know what else could possibly be of use....Use up your organs yourself, thats what they were for, namely your own use...too easy for donors to leave this world with some doctors help...they think they are god, but they are not God.
16 posted on 03/25/2015 9:13:01 AM PDT by goat granny
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“If we took the organs from death row inmates as their restitution,”

Remember the Arkansas prison contaminated blood scandal? Not the best source for transplant material or blood. hep-C, AIDS, VD...


17 posted on 03/25/2015 9:21:49 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: goat granny

skin and bone are taken and sold.


18 posted on 03/25/2015 9:24:02 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Pecos

I am not listed as an organ donor for that exact reason. Progressives will not wait for the law to change before they start harvesting organs. They’ll just attempt to cover it up.

Anyway, I’m old enough that I doubt my organs would outlive me by very much, regardless of the casue of death :)


19 posted on 03/25/2015 9:36:51 AM PDT by chesley (Obama -- Muslim or dhimmi? And does it matter?)
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To: wagglebee

Funny how they don’t talk about using organs from executed prisoners.


20 posted on 03/25/2015 9:48:47 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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