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Search aircraft find the remains of Germanwings Flight 4U 9525 scattered all over...
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| Updated: 11:36 EST, 24 March 2015
| By Simon Tomlinson and John Hutchinson and Gerard Couzens, Richard Spillett, Fidelma Cook et al
Posted on 03/24/2015 9:51:17 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Tzfat
The speed/altitude chart suggests the plane broke the sound barrier before impact. This could explain the debris field.
About 15 years ago, there was an incident...an Indonesian airline..the pilot was suffering huge financial problems..He locked the co-pilot out of the cabin...then dove the 737 straight down..it augured into a river. The debris field initially suggested the plane broke up at altitude..then crashed..once they figured out it went supersonic in the descent..that's why the tail broke off before impact
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:02:35 PM PDT
by
ken5050
(When the GOP takes the Senate, it will tie Obama's hands for two years. How will he play golf?)
To: Tzfat
Lest I forget, I want to thank you now for your contributions to this thread!
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:06:01 PM PDT
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: PrairieLady2
You wrote: They said the dibris was spread hundreds of meters, but not being metric literate, the discription means nothing to me.
FWIW, 400 meters is about a quarter of a mile, 1000m is .62 of a mile and so on. HTH!
To: ken5050
The speed/altitude chart suggests the plane broke the sound barrier before impact. This could explain the debris field.Not likely. The chart at the link below shows the value at the altitudes shown varies between 574 and 650 kts. The plane slowed down slightly from its maximum speed (~500 kts), which was well below those values.
Mach vs. Altitude Tables
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:12:26 PM PDT
by
CedarDave
(Bush vs. Clinton in 2016 - If you have a 22-year old car, the bumper stickers are still good.)
To: Tzfat
Helios flew for a very long time after the event. I was going to chime in and mention that. But since you did, as an Airbus pilot perhaps you may be able to comment on something else that seems odd about this Germanwings incident - there is something about the debris field of this crash that seems unusual - either not big enough, or too large. Couldn't really identify a source of impact either, or any significant charring/scorching. Could you comment on that?
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:26:41 PM PDT
by
no-s
(when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
To: Tzfat; tcrlaf
And if you manually (per a flow like that posted earlier) dial in a lower altitude and then pass out... the plane simply goes down to that altitude and then levels off. It does not auger in. Eventually you wake up and resume flying the plane.
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:27:14 PM PDT
by
TalonDJ
To: TalonDJ
And if you manually (per a flow like that posted earlier) dial in a lower altitude and then pass out... the plane simply goes down to that altitude and then levels off. It does not auger in. Eventually you wake up and resume flying the plane.
Correct. The emergency descent procedure is initiated by the left seat pilot. It is normally done with a flow (rather than a checklist). The
first step is always to put on an oxygen mask (hence no hypoxia), then dial in 10,000 in altitude (or higher for terrain), then pull the Open Descent button) etc.
The Germanwings hit at what looks like well below 10,000 - which means even if the crew had consciousness to start an emergency descent - then it would not have descended into the terrain. The only way this is hypoxia is if it had run out of fuel at altitude over the North Sea. That is what happened to the Helos B737 event several years ago. They never did a descent.
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:35:22 PM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: CedarDave
Thanks..I was looking at the chart in #44...am I wrong? (as one who knows next to nothing about planes/flying..
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:36:44 PM PDT
by
ken5050
(When the GOP takes the Senate, it will tie Obama's hands for two years. How will he play golf?)
To: CivilWarBrewing
“This aircraft had an inspection yesterday...”
Somebody forgot to tighten a screw.
“For want of a nail...”
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:40:14 PM PDT
by
PLMerite
(Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
To: ken5050
The speed/altitude chart suggests the plane broke the sound barrier before impact. This could explain the debris field.
Perhaps you are seeing something different than what is on this thread. The chart shows impact at about 390 knots at about 8,000 MSL. Assuming 0 degrees c, speed of sound would be about 640 knots.
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:40:30 PM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: no-s
Some pictures appear to show scorching. It is hard to tell. If there is scorching, the impact site is the debris field, or very near by. If the aircraft disintegrated at altitude, the fuel would have vaporized.
In the US Airways 427 crash 21 years ago, the aircraft rolled over and impacted nearly vertically (80 degrees!) from about 6,000 feet. The impact speed was over 300 knots. The debris field was in hilly terrain, and was confined to just several hundred feet in a single ravine. There was smoke, but if I remember correctly there was not much, if any, scorching. I was a B737 pilot at the time and I knew the first officer, so I took particular interest.
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:48:08 PM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: ken5050
The chart at #44 shows speed and altitude with the red line speed and the blue line altitude. If the two are confused (such as might happen if viewed in black and white), it could be be interpreted to show that speed was greater than Mach 1.
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posted on
03/24/2015 1:48:27 PM PDT
by
CedarDave
(Bush vs. Clinton in 2016 - If you have a 22-year old car, the bumper stickers are still good.)
To: Tzfat
Is it possible to just “screw up”
and dial in an altitude based on sea level
and failing to account for ground terrain?
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posted on
03/24/2015 2:13:43 PM PDT
by
Repeal The 17th
(We have met the enemy, and he is us.)
To: woodbutcher1963
Um, no, there were no actual engines recovered th the Pentagon site. That is fiction.
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posted on
03/24/2015 2:18:48 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
To: Toespi
Maybe a test run, so they wouldn’t want connections made too soon.
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posted on
03/24/2015 2:20:28 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
To: Yaelle
I wonder what a thorough inspection of the passenger manifest would turn up? Any bankers aboard? Any high-tech, weapons related individuals aboard? Any aides to Merkel or the French President aboard? Any aides to Putin aboard?
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posted on
03/24/2015 2:23:37 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
To: Repeal The 17th
Not likely. These are not newbies. Experienced pilots make mistakes, but not that kind of mistake. It is the number one control used in flight - the altitude knob on the FCU. Setting it is something Airbus pilots can do in their sleep, upside down.
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posted on
03/24/2015 2:24:24 PM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: SkyDancer
A bomb, missile, center fuel tank............
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posted on
03/24/2015 2:26:00 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
To: Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage
I’m never calm while flying. Only a mild panic until touchdown safely.............
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posted on
03/24/2015 2:26:46 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
To: Toespi
Ramzi Yousef bombed Philippine Airlines Flight 434 as a test. He never called and claimed responsibility for his actions. Luck was with the airliner. It has a different seating arrangement from similar planes. If it had been the standard layout it would most certainly hit the center fuel tank rather than a cargo hold. One passenger died vs the loss of what certainly would have been the entire passenger and crew.
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posted on
03/24/2015 2:41:21 PM PDT
by
csvset
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