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Search aircraft find the remains of Germanwings Flight 4U 9525 scattered all over...
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| Updated: 11:36 EST, 24 March 2015
| By Simon Tomlinson and John Hutchinson and Gerard Couzens, Richard Spillett, Fidelma Cook et al
Posted on 03/24/2015 9:51:17 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Kirkwood
If we remember the strike on the Pentagon on 9/11, there was hardly anything left except the engines.
To: Red Badger
Oxygen system went out? Pilots incapacitated? Strange no comm’s with ATC ....
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:29:53 AM PDT
by
SkyDancer
(I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
To: Tzfat
Far from me to question anyone on the Internet, but if you fly an Airbus outside of FlightSim, you know that there is an “Emergency Descent” setting that can be activated, in the case of cabin pressure loss.
And it’s been available since 1980.
Boeing required the mod in all of it’s aircraft years ago.
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:30:25 AM PDT
by
tcrlaf
(They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
To: Red Badger
Oxygen system went out? Pilots incapacitated? Strange no comm’s with ATC ....or the ROP planted a bomb since there were mentioned two distinct booms ....
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:30:26 AM PDT
by
SkyDancer
(I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
To: DCBryan1
It is nearly impossible for an Airbus to exceed its VMAX or to overload the wing etc. Bomb, or some other catastrophic event is a better theory - nothing gradual because the result was not gradual.
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:30:37 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: Red Badger
I can’t see it being a terrorist attack, simply because no terrorist groups have announced their responsibility in the crash. An attack would be pointless if it didn’t create terror.
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:30:59 AM PDT
by
Toespi
To: dfwgator
“Something doesnt add up, with the plane being so far off course.”
The article says it was on course?
To: Tzfat
I wonder if ISIS will lay claim to this disaster, even if they didn’t do it?.............
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:33:28 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
To: Toespi
I wonder if ISIS will lay claim to this disaster, even if they didnt do it?.............
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:33:57 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
To: SkyDancer
The booms could have been echoes from the Alps.............
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:34:35 AM PDT
by
Red Badger
(Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
To: tcrlaf
Far from me to question anyone on the Internet, but if you fly an Airbus outside of FlightSim, you know that there is an Emergency Descent setting that can be activated, in the case of cabin pressure loss.
Funny. I can tell you that there is no such thing, and I have thousands of hours on the A320 series aircraft.
All emergency descents are crew initiated. Period. There is no automatic emergency descent, nor has there ever been. I have 10,00 hours in B737, and I can assure you there is no such thing there either. The only automatic feature in a loss of cabin pressure is the PAX O2 masks drop at cabin altitude of 14,000. The autoflight system does absolutely zero in the event of a cabin loss.
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:35:36 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: ErnBatavia
It depends. If those are accurate. Many of those consumer web sites simply average out the time between returns. We may have to wait until the flight data record is possibly read to know what really happened with altitude and airspeed. Then, like TWA 800, we may be given bogus information if the conclusions don’t add up.
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:41:11 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: ErnBatavia
It depends. If those are accurate. Many of those consumer web sites simply average out the time between returns. We may have to wait until the flight data record is possibly read to know what really happened with altitude and airspeed. Then, like TWA 800, we may be given bogus information if the conclusions don’t add up.
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:41:11 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: Tzfat
I never said it wasn't crew initiated, I said the autopilot mode exists, and can be activated. Boeing required it be fitted years ago. Autopilot for aircraft having automatic descent function in the event of cabin depressurization US 6507776 B1 http://www.google.com/patents/US6507776 As I said, if the pilot/FO recognized Hypoxia, but too late to do more than dial down the altitude before incapacitation, that would explain the CONTROLLED but fast descent, which is my unfounded theory. Here is an example Emergency Action flow for an Emergency descent.
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:45:27 AM PDT
by
tcrlaf
(They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
To: Red Badger
Sometimes planes just disintegrate?
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:47:24 AM PDT
by
Yaelle
To: Red Badger
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:55:17 AM PDT
by
SkyDancer
(I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
To: tcrlaf
Apparently you do not know what a flow is. A flow is not “activated.” It is simply a series of steps. Each pilot has separate steps. It is the left seat pilot (not always the captain in an augmented crew with 3 or more pilots) that initiates the descent.
Every step is a crew step. NOTHING is automatic. And, you missed the first, most important step in the flow for EVERY airline on EVERY aircraft. Crew O2 On/100%. No hypoxia.
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posted on
03/24/2015 11:56:26 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: tcrlaf
I said the autopilot mode exists, and can be activated.
Take a look at your flow diagram again. There is no autopilot "setting" for emergency descent. The left seat pilot is setting the altitude to 10,000 (as I said previously would the floor), then checking speed in case of structural damage, etc. No "emergency descent setting" - those are simply normal settings in the autopilot. In every single case, the pilot must be conscious, and if aware that a descent must be initiated, would most certainly already be on O2. No hypoxia.
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posted on
03/24/2015 12:00:46 PM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: Tzfat
And when was your last Hypoxia Recognition Course?
As I said, if the pilot, OR FO, recognized Hypoxia, dialed down the altitude, and then passed out, it could explain the flight path we have seen.
And as I have proven, Hypoxia incidents HAVE happened in the Modern Era. The example I cited was the Helios crash from 2005.
Also as I have proven, a mod DOES exist for automatic autopilot override for emergency descent in the event of a cabin pressure loss.
At this time, all we are doing is speculating without facts, anyway.
I have a theory. That’s all it is, a theory, based on the limited amount of data available, and my own knowledge/experience.
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posted on
03/24/2015 12:03:32 PM PDT
by
tcrlaf
(They told me it could never happen in America. And then it did....)
To: Tzfat
No "emergency descent setting" - those are simply normal settings in the autopilot. Would it be possible that the auto pilot software could be tampered with? If so, could it be possible that the crew would not of noticed what was going on?
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