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Time For a Serious Discussion on Secession
Liberty Shrugs ^ | 03/24/2015 | PUBLIUS

Posted on 03/24/2015 3:37:05 AM PDT by Bill Russell

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1 posted on 03/24/2015 3:37:05 AM PDT by Bill Russell
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To: Bill Russell

Im down. Been ready for a looong time... Waiting for enough of you folks to catch up.


2 posted on 03/24/2015 3:40:47 AM PDT by myself6
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To: Bill Russell

Blah, blah, blah.
It’s been TRIED— and did not work out all that well.

Have you noticed just how TINY the deep-blue areas controlled by the bad guys are? That’s what I call a target-rich environment for our side.

I’ll vote for rebellion and regime change, meself.
Faster, quicker, neater and less bloodshed.


3 posted on 03/24/2015 3:46:56 AM PDT by Flintlock (The 'soapbox ' failed us; the 'ballot box' was stolen. We are left with the bullet box.)
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To: Bill Russell
Secession is a futile dream which could become a nightmare.

Article V is less of a long shot is much to be preferred.

If succession succeeds it marks the beginning of a host of problems as each remnant is weaker and more vulnerable but if Article V produces real reform it marks the dawn of a better day.


4 posted on 03/24/2015 3:54:42 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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Let God do it. When He gets ready, all of the guns, military equipment, men and women who would crush your rebellion will themselves be swept away. The hand is now writing on the wall, but they can not see it.


5 posted on 03/24/2015 3:59:35 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Bill Russell

Seems like we have been doing pretty good for ourselves just by showing up and voting.


6 posted on 03/24/2015 4:06:27 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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Nutty idea. It led to a civil war last time. A few died as I recall.

I do not believe it will be allowed this time either.

7 posted on 03/24/2015 4:08:28 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama: All the news that's fit to control and manage.)
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Ted Cruz is a last chance. If we can place him in the White House I think we can start to turn things around.


8 posted on 03/24/2015 4:11:34 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Bill Russell

Drop the word secession, add the word impeachment, help the backbones of Washingtonian republicans to grow, and count me in.


9 posted on 03/24/2015 4:19:26 AM PDT by exnavy (Islam is not a religion, it is an attack plan for war.)
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To: Bill Russell

BFL


10 posted on 03/24/2015 4:20:36 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: Bill Russell
The state by state secession of the 1860’s with clear regional divisions is not a possibility given the changes in America’s political geography with major city centers emerging and dominating the political environment in many of the states. Even if one considers the electoral map of the 2012 election published by the New York Times, the idea of separation on the state levels does not seem to work out given that so many states were narrowly won by one candidate or the other.

State by state secession is the only way to go. The state legislatures have an obligation to nullify the Federal govt when they over step their bounds,even to the point of secession. If it means war so be it.

Look at the map it is South mid west vs east - west. Your plan has too many moving parts. Sorry you can't pussy foot your way out of the Suicide Pact that the USA has become. I will not buy your book. But we are sort of on the same side.

"The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a 'rebellion' is a gross abuse of language."

"Obstacles may retard, but they cannot long prevent the progress of a movement sanctified by its justice, and sustained by a virtuous people ."

"Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever."

"The contest is not over, the strife is not ended. It has only entered upon a new and enlarged arena." Jefferson Davis, address to the Mississippi legislature - 16 years after the wars end.

"The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form."

President Davis

11 posted on 03/24/2015 4:37:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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If Texas declared independence would you take up arms against her?


12 posted on 03/24/2015 4:40:31 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Bill Russell

The author is right about the importation of illegal third-worlders so as to ensure a permanent RAT majority.


13 posted on 03/24/2015 4:40:56 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: Flintlock

Secession does not mean war. It a state or states leave it is up to FedGov™ to either initiate to not initiate hostilities.


14 posted on 03/24/2015 4:41:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Bill Russell

Secession only gives them a reason to escalate with force; a sure way to lose support of moderates; will only end in tyrannical oppression of freedom loving people;

Reform comes from standing toe to toe pointing out the flaws in their thinking and structure... We have no opposition party, just democrat lite.


15 posted on 03/24/2015 4:42:48 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: nathanbedford
If succession succeeds it marks the beginning of a host of problems as each remnant is weaker and more vulnerable but if Article V produces real reform it marks the dawn of a better day.

There isn't going to be any choice in the matter. The USA will splinter along state lines when the world wide economic calamity causes the Greatest Depression ever seen. The states will leave the USA and try to survive on their own, shedding the debts and obligations accursed over 200 years of fiscal abuse.

It is going to happen whether anyone likes it or not.

Fyi: It is secession not succession. :)

16 posted on 03/24/2015 4:45:09 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: nathanbedford

I believe we should explore the fourteenth amendment section three also

I would say we have a case for kicking them all out every supporter of gun control on a federal level.


17 posted on 03/24/2015 4:45:56 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: RC one

“Seems like we have been doing pretty good for ourselves just by showing up and voting.”

Surely this is sarcasm. Please tell me it is sarcasm.


18 posted on 03/24/2015 4:46:55 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Rapscallion
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Albert Einstein

The System is broken, it cannot be fixed. OBastard has made following the US optional and voluntary by any future President.

19 posted on 03/24/2015 4:47:35 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: teeman8r

During the War of Independence the Colonies were split three ways third torys, third moderates, third rebels. Moderates follow power.


20 posted on 03/24/2015 4:49:45 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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