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Elon Musk: The Cars You’re Driving Today Will Eventually Be Outlawed
The Daily Caller via Yahoo! News ^ | 17 March 2015 | The Daily Caller

Posted on 03/18/2015 6:41:09 AM PDT by kosciusko51

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To: mountainlion; Darksheare

This is the second time I’ve been accused of being this Willy Green guy. I looked him up and he apparently thought passenger trains are the answer.

I personally think passenger trains are a silly, poorly thought out idea outside of a few specialized scenarios that have already been implemented (subways, etc).


121 posted on 03/18/2015 12:31:07 PM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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To: LogicDesigner

Well, WG loved to tell us that government mandating fantasy tech was a great thing.
And he loved his mass transit.


122 posted on 03/18/2015 12:32:13 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: LogicDesigner

http://freerepublic.com/tag/by:williegreen/index?brevity=full;tab=comments

Matter of fact, there’s Choo Choo Willy.


123 posted on 03/18/2015 12:33:18 PM PDT by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: LogicDesigner

The real danger as the technology starts to become more common is the government trying to force installation of remote-control capability using the usual pretexts (i.e. “We need to be able to shut down cars to stop child abductions / terrorists / whatever”). See the current official moaning and gnashing of teeth over secure data encryption for a present-day example.


124 posted on 03/18/2015 12:34:26 PM PDT by Kaled
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To: kosciusko51

I just watched the whole thing. Very interesting!


125 posted on 03/18/2015 12:42:44 PM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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To: Kaled
“The real danger as the technology starts to become more common is the government trying to force installation of remote-control capability using the usual pretexts (i.e. “We need to be able to shut down cars to stop child abductions / terrorists / whatever”). See the current official moaning and gnashing of teeth over secure data encryption for a present-day example.”

Well, someone else brought up On-Star’s remote kill switch technology. It is fairly old tech at this point and I have not heard of anyone wanting to make it required. It is purely an optional feature for the owner of the car.

126 posted on 03/18/2015 12:48:07 PM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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To: kosciusko51
“Personnel injury attorneys, to the lobby K Street cave.”

For the people DOT com needs the chaotic status quo...
127 posted on 03/18/2015 12:55:38 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: LogicDesigner

It is pretty neat, and they seem to have a lot of things considered. Except all those damned deer in NW New Jersey! Not in the road, but flying out of the brush above the road in a deep cut, etc.

I’d love to be a ride-along test driver/co-pilot as long as I was in the driver’s seat. I often drive around town and see how little I can use my brakes, even in moderate traffic. Get off the gas, no brakes and then just blow by people when the light changes because they passed you on the way to the red light and had to stop.


128 posted on 03/18/2015 12:57:09 PM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: LogicDesigner

Still doesn’t address the issue of affordability. Cars are too expensive to buy and maintain as it is now. We need less bells and whistles not more.


129 posted on 03/18/2015 2:19:26 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: LogicDesigner

It won’t happen anytime soon, because the mapping systems are extremely flawed and will remain so indefinitely. There are already too many instances where the GPS systems have sent vehicles down railroad tracks only to have the vehicle occupants killed in collisions with trains. Then there are the people, animals, and debris which obstruct the paths of the vehicles in ways which will result in the vehicle colliding with the obstructions, skidding off the roadway to avoid the obstructions, and assorted other mishaps the automated controls cannot cope with as well as the human driver.


130 posted on 03/18/2015 2:45:13 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: LogicDesigner

Why does it have to be either/or? Why not have the best of both worlds where the machine mostly drives the car and the human can override if need be? Seems like a false dichotomy to me.


131 posted on 03/18/2015 2:46:09 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: WhiskeyX
See the video I posted in comment #89.

132 posted on 03/18/2015 3:08:58 PM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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To: LogicDesigner

I personally think passenger trains are a silly, poorly thought out idea outside of a few specialized scenarios that have already been implemented (subways, etc).

I think the same about being controlled by a car. I think this would be the ultimate liberal/socialist/communist control system. I like to drive. I like to shift gears and don’t like automatic transmissions. I don’t like the feeling of not being in control. I don’t like to ride when someone else is driving. You can keep your prison car and I will keep my freedom.


133 posted on 03/18/2015 3:23:36 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: LogicDesigner

I was aware of those videos when I wrote my comments. You’ll note they did not showcase their failures, only their successes. I have an extensive experience using the Google maps and Streetview applications, and they are highly prone to producing errors, some of which have been quite spectacular. They also are too monopolistic, overconfident, and arrogant to competently run something as simple as their email servers without botching the effort. They can hardly be entrusted to manage and control your physical safety or your personal freedoms.


134 posted on 03/18/2015 7:53:43 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: a fool in paradise

Bump


135 posted on 03/18/2015 8:33:53 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: GeronL; All

"...dog pile on da wabbit,dog pile on da wabbit,dog pile on da wabbit ( LogicDesigner)

136 posted on 03/19/2015 6:40:58 AM PDT by Doogle (( USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
Seems like a false dichotomy to me.

Two reasons for this. Logic, and your excellent facility to recognize it as such.

137 posted on 03/19/2015 6:54:08 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: LogicDesigner
Fix stuff like this first, then you can say that with a straight face.

Still not addressing the point where the government doesn't have the authority to mandate this.

138 posted on 03/19/2015 6:56:57 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Dead Corpse; WhiskeyX; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; mountainlion
As 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten said in comment #131, I think that once this technology matures and is introduced to the marketplace, it will be simply another mode your car can drive in. You will be able to turn it on or off at any time. Kind of like those cars with a switchable automatic/manual transmission. Also, analogous to the tiny minority of people (only 6.5%) who buy cars with a manual transmission, eventually people will get used to the convenience of automated driving and rarely use the manual driving mode.

Most cars will still have the option, but as insurance companies see that those cars with autonomous ability get in fewer accidents, insurance rates will drop accordingly. Eventually, in the distant long term, it will be the autonomous ability that comes standard on all cars, and the manual ability that is an optional feature.

I don't think having a manual driving option should be illegal and I don't think it would be made illegal. You might have some legal restrictions on manual driving though in the form of automated-driving-only lanes, similar to HOV lanes today. An automated driving lane could go 120 mph and have less space between cars (in good weather, of course).

Regarding the quality of GPS units, if you watched the video I posted earlier then it is clear that there is a huge difference between a GPS unit that is essentially blindly reading a map and the automated car that can see everything around it and adjust accordingly.

It is also silly to think that kinks won't be worked out such as the software knowing which dirt roads will be able to support the vehicle and which will not. It really surprises me that anyone who has been awake during the past few decades does not understand that software improves.

139 posted on 03/19/2015 11:54:37 AM PDT by LogicDesigner (See my profile for a browser plug-in that shows politicians' money trail while you surf the web.)
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To: LogicDesigner
It really surprises me that anyone who has been awake during the past few decades does not understand that software improves.

I have windows 8 which is the biggest computer mistake I have made. I have been involved with computers since the mid 70’s and have been certified on multiple systems.

Hackers would have a field day with traffic. People are concerned about the power grid so lets add cars to it. An EMP or solar flare would completely stop the nation. How would people that can't set the clock on a VCR tell a car where to go?

140 posted on 03/19/2015 12:16:45 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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