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Why bother with a $15 minimum wage? [ad absurdum]
Jim Robinson

Posted on 03/13/2015 11:11:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Let's just get it over with and go for a guaranteed income for all. If you work and earn less than the guaranteed income, the government will pay you the difference. If you don't work, the government will pay you the guaranteed amount anyway. After all, a living wage is a human right. As is healthcare. The government should provide it. As is housing. Food. Clothing. Cell phones. Internet. Transportation. Vacations.

But we must all pay our fair share.

Those earning less than the guaranteed income will receive a check from the IRS. Those earning more than the guarantee up to, say $100,000 will pay a 50% tax. Earnings over $100,000 to $250,000 will pay a 75% tax and anything over $250,000 pays 90% tax. Fair is fair and there should be limits on how much wealth a person should be allowed to accumulate. You do not earn your income on your own. Your income is earned on the backs of the poor and disadvantaged/underprivileged and it's our responsibility to provide for them.


TOPICS: FReeper Editorial
KEYWORDS: culturalmarxism; humanrights; miltonfriedman; minimumwage; negativeincometax; obamarecession; obamataxhikes; ubi; universalbasicincome
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To: Jim Robinson

Unfortunately we have a boatload of low information voters that are all in the democrat/liberal/progressive party that believes that to be a good plan! LOL.


41 posted on 03/13/2015 12:10:45 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: WXRGina

Why not 20 dollars an hour? or maybe $25? OR $30. BUT no illegals can be hired—only those who served in the military get first dibs on these new plush jobs.


42 posted on 03/13/2015 12:17:16 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim’s channelling e-warren

scary thing is, the entire left would whole heartedly agree


43 posted on 03/13/2015 12:17:21 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Jim Robinson
Think how fast the FReepathons will go if we're making $1000/hour.

:o)

44 posted on 03/13/2015 12:20:30 PM PDT by mykroar ("Never believe anything until it has been officially denied." - Otto von Bismarck)
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To: ctdonath2

“It is written: ‘Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.’” .........

Absurdity, Sarcasm, Satire to most – Dead Serious to the scary few.


45 posted on 03/13/2015 12:27:09 PM PDT by mikrofon (Weekend BUMP)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Gosh darn it, Mr. Government Officer, I guess I'm just not smart enough to earn more than the Guaranteed Income. I mean, I tried reeeeal hard, but I just can't seem to get paid no matter how much I work. I don't have anything for you to tax....and I'm real sorry about that." :)
46 posted on 03/13/2015 12:35:01 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (Heteropatriarchal Capitalist)
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To: MeganC
Why not just give everybody in the nation a check for $1,000,000? That would instantaneously bring everyone out of poverty, right? Of course not, it would make a million bucks practically worthless because such a move would distort the value of money. All such government anti-poverty schemes distort the market and increase unemployment rather than the reverse.

You'd think politicians would have gotten that memo by now, but they know that the Robin Hood message appeals to a large number of voters.
47 posted on 03/13/2015 12:39:31 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

But then we know (besides religion) the real enemy of human rights is capitalism. Capitalism enslaves the masses and benefits the capitalists. We must kill capitalism and implement socialism. Then workers will not be working their tails off to further enrich the wealthy capitalists. They can all work freely for the state. And seeing as how the state benefits from all labor, no taxes will be required.


48 posted on 03/13/2015 12:46:07 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim you have confused wealth with income. Your proposal only tackles the problem of income inequality. We need to do something about wealth inequality. Wealth is not taxed. Income from wealth is taxed at a very low rate. You have done a very good job analyzing the situation to make income disparity disappear but we will need to do something about wealth disparity.

Maybe if you have more than $10,000 in the bank, take 90% of it? After all, we will need that money to help pay the minimum income guarantee. Either that, or maybe we top up everyone’s savings account to $10,000 if they have less than that, and take the rest if they have more. That should keep it fair. But we have to be sure that you can’t spend that money without approval because you may not spend it right.

And homes? It is crazy that there are situations where one or two people live in a large single family home, while at the same time there are families of 5 or 6 or more who live in apartments. I think we should do something about that too.


49 posted on 03/13/2015 12:49:12 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Jim Robinson
Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. - Ronald Reagan
50 posted on 03/13/2015 12:49:21 PM PDT by McGruff (Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Gee, that sounds fair to me.

/sarc


51 posted on 03/13/2015 12:53:19 PM PDT by Peter W. Kessler
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To: monkeyshine

Great point! A man should be allowed to accumulate only so much wealth. Any excess automatically belongs to the state.


52 posted on 03/13/2015 12:54:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: PieterCasparzen

There was an article I read yesterday (I can’t recall where) detailing the subsidies some of the developers are being offered to build very expensive new residences. They want the jobs building and they want to lure the ultra rich. But, they are giving massive property tax subsidies so that people who dump $100 million into a luxury high rise condo in New York actually pays less in property tax than a middle class family a few miles down the road. Not just less percentage, but less dollars. Imagine if you spent $100 million on a condo, you would pay $2 million or $3 million a year in property tax if you were taxed like everyone else. That is “unfair”, I guess. So they are given a tax break.

I am not a fan of the property tax so don’t get me wrong on that point, but this is just one example of how screwed up things are, in too many ways to enumerate. Once they start screwing with the market they can’t stop and it results in an endless series of subsidies and exemptions for special classes of people and various interests including the “government’s interest”.


53 posted on 03/13/2015 1:02:24 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Jim Robinson

Except that near half our population thinks it attainable & desirable social goals.
And a disturbing fraction of our side are pushing notions which unwittingly facilitate those goals (Fair Tax, National ID, etc).


54 posted on 03/13/2015 1:06:10 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I often talk about Venezuala with both Dems and Repubs. I am constantly amazed that we all agree that the average life of a Venezualen is horrible, yet very few understand how it got that way.

I understand your frustration, and as a result I read your post with well earned sarcasm. Sadly, many an American agrees with it, yet don’t understand that it will create a Venezuelan lifestyle!


55 posted on 03/13/2015 1:09:03 PM PDT by CSM
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To: Resettozero; Jim Robinson
I’ve heard of this kind of plan somewhere before...

So have I--probably within the last two weeks or so. I didn't take a good look at it, though, and I don't have a clear memory of where I saw it.

A little searching online does yield proposals along the lines of a "minimum income," "basic income," "guaranteed income," "guaranteed minimum income," "guaranteed basic income," and other variants.

When I search for such threads here, I find a good number of results, especially with "basic income."

Some recent threads:

"Minimum Guaranteed Income" for 700,000 persons (Greece) (October 2014)

How to Fix Poverty: Write Every Family a Basic Income Check (December 2014)

Why the Tech Elite Is Getting Behind Universal Basic Income (January 2015)

56 posted on 03/13/2015 1:10:16 PM PDT by Lonely Bull
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To: Lonely Bull

And nobody seems to notice it’s part of the Fair Tax plan (a la “prebate”). Maybe not quite minimum livable income, but just a bill & signature away.


57 posted on 03/13/2015 1:16:49 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: WayneS
Hey! I thought you had asked people to LABEL their satire!

Considering the source and the content, no label was needed!

58 posted on 03/13/2015 1:46:45 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & Ifwater the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Jim Robinson

If you add up all the different welfare and healthcare benefits, then add to those the gov’t employee salaries and pensions and their healthcare benefits for each and every program that distributes those benefits, it could be cheaper. But that would leave all those gov’te employee paper pushers with nothing to do, and we can’t fire them so we wouldn’t save money because they would just draw a paycheck for doing nothing a full eight hours a day.


59 posted on 03/13/2015 1:54:24 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Lonely Bull

Thanks. I was thinking of the communist manifesto or some such when I wrote the previous post.


60 posted on 03/13/2015 3:21:17 PM PDT by Resettozero
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