Posted on 03/10/2015 6:49:58 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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-PJ
I meant why didn’t they (other candidates) challenge this part, an ineligible person running?
From your post:
“.... A person who is ineligible to serve cannot run for office. Running is the act, and the other candidates have standing because they are harmed by an ineligible candidate that is running nonetheless. ....”
Any of the candidates (p&f, green, aip, constitution, etc) could have challenged, not just the top two parties (r&d).
“The should have stopped Hitler in Munich.”
In how many variations has that sentence been uttered throughout history.
Now kids are asking, “Who’s Hitler?”
As to the basis, nobody was going near the 20th amendment qualifications birth certificate NBC claim; that was toxic. The 22nd amendment term limits claim is much more solid in 2016, and it didn't exist before.
As for other candidates challenging, sure. Why not have all of them challenge? I'm responding to the standing claim by saying that top national figures would not put up with a challenge to their standing the way a minor candidate might. The top candidates have the authority of their current offices to push back against credibility smears.
-PJ
Would anyone stop him? No.
Cankles Clinton might have something to say about it.
If a judge denies standing and SCOTUS refuses to take the appeal, how the heck does even a “top candidate” “not put up with a challenge to their standing”?
Phil Berg filed his lawsuit against Obama’s eligibility - unofficially on Hillary’s behalf. There’s a reason that Hillary had to have a surrogate file the suit for her. People close to the Hillary campaign said that the Clintons always intended to bring up Obama’s eligibility problem at the DNC convention, if necessary. The plan within the last weeks before the convention was to have Bill Clinton’s good friend - head of the Arkansas Democratic Party, Bill Gwatney - challenge the first vote so a 2nd vote would be forced, thus enabling delegates to change their votes to Hillary. And then they were going to present the bombshell evidence that Obama was not eligible and Hillary was going to become the candidate.
Unfortunately for Hillary, Gwatney was killed within days of agreeing to bring on the 2nd round of voting - supposedly the victim of a random shooting, with the perp killed by the cops. And then about a week later, right after Stephanie Tubbs agreed to bring on the 2nd round of voting - she suffered what was called an “aneurysm” (one of the covert ways of getting rid of people) and died. The Hillary people have said that what finally stopped the Clintons was a threat that if they pursued the eligibility issue Chelsea would be killed.
Within a day or two of Tubbs’ death Hillary supporter Phil Berg filed his lawsuit, since Hillary couldn’t do it. The DNC Convention was within the next week or so, IIRC, and there was a LOT of thuggery going on there, to silence the Hillary people.
The judge in Berg’s lawsuit initially acted like he took it seriously. Obama failed to produce required documents and Berg filed to have it legally recognized that Obama had conceded the point that he is ineligible. Then the judge suddenly did a 180-degree turnaround and said that Berg lacked standing - it wasn’t his business, he had no right as a DNC donor to make sure that the DNC followed their own by-laws requiring an ELIGIBLE candidate. (Bear in mind that the state SOS’s claim that they HAVE to put on the ballot whoever the DNC nominates, eligibility be damned).
Now - given all that - what makes you so sure that the same thing could not happen to ANYBODY, regardless of how big-name they are?
2008 was a coup, complete with murders and threats of murder. EVERY judicial, Congressional, and media (including “conservative”) entity claimed that it is NOBODY’S BUSINESS to make sure that the Constitution, basic documentation requirements, due process, etc are followed. In October of 2008 the media companies were threatened by Soros, Rahm Emanuel, and David Axelrod with annihilation if they addressed Obama’s ineligibility and Muslim leanings.
Rush Limbaugh did not poo-pooh this question. He knows that it no longer works to say, “It could never happen here.” When people are threatened and killed it’s a totally different ballgame. And that is what this regime does. Period.
Unless you’ve been in the place of having your family’s lives threatened and seeing physical harm come to them, you have no idea what these “high profile” people are dealing with. You have no idea what it’s like to call the regime’s bluff and watch your loved ones suffer because of it. And as long as you keep buying into the idea that “it could never happen here” you’ll never face that scenario because you pose no threat to this regime. That scenario will fall to the people with the stubbornness and tenacity to face the ridicule and face the mafia by simply finding out and pointing out the truth - people who will never be able to feel good about doing so because they know what it cost their families.
That’s where we’re at, and the sooner we ALL recognize that and deal with it, the more of a fighting chance this nation has. Because ultimately it comes down to Obama bringing a gun to a knife fight, as he said in his own words. Until we recognize the criminal that he is, and how his Islamist puppet-masters took the entire system hostage, we will never have the determination and sense to bring a cannon to Obama’s gun fight. That’s the only way we can defeat the enemies of this nation who now have “Al Qaeda” “inside the building”...
There were four people with perfect standing under Article III of the Constitution to challenge Obama’s eligibility. They were the only other people who received Electoral votes and who could show DIRECT injury from an ineligible candidate being elected: John McCain, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.
None of them filed suit, however.
You're giving judges too much power, and not giving Senators/Governors/Presidential candidates enough. You keep citing minor players to make your point against top candidates.
You can't transfer the experiences of these minor characters to top-tier candidates during the campaign season.
Why can't you imagine a public outcry if a governor-candidate were to be rebuffed on the flimsiest of excuses? Why can't you imagine that someone running for the "leader of the free world" wouldn't push back? Why can't you imagine that the situation is different for 22nd amendment term limits? This is not "established by the state" language.
-PJ
The fate of this nation is only the “business” of 2 people every 4 years, you say?
Spoken like a slithering snake hissing in the ears. Disgusting.
It is because of people like you that the fate of this nation will never finally be decided in a courtroom or by the ballot box, but by whether the patriots ever stand up and bring a cannon to Obama’s gunfight.
People, think about what you are going to do in that event - how far you are willing to go to protect the people and the freedoms that you love - because war is inevitable. With every hiss of every slithering snake that war becomes more and more inevitable as the process itself is decapitating this country, cutting off the Constitution that has protected us all these many years.
ISIS with all its blood and filth has NOTHING on Obama and his handlers, because the handlers that own ISIS also own Obama. They are the same team - it’s just that Obama’s handlers hiss and ooze soothingly while they wrap their deadly coils around the neck of this nation.
I’m not going to reply to you, Nero, because I already know which side you’re on and I have nothing to say to you. I’m talking to everybody else, because the day of decision is almost upon us. And to all of you I say: Have your answer ready, because when the time comes it will be too late to beg for thinking time.
What don’t you understand about “Chelsea will be killed if you resist”?
A lot of regular people will correct things in short order.
But I will tell you one thing—Rush will not do a damn thing.
-PJ
Is that before their loved ones (who don’t have Secret Service protection) are killed (perhaps by an “accident” or a simulated medical event like a heart attack, aneurysm, cardiac arrhythmia, etc) or incapacitated by poisons that simulate Alzheimers, etc.... or after?
Bill and Hillary both had Secret Service protection.
The reason Glenn Beck left Fox was because Fox would not provide bodyguards for his secretary who was receiving daily death threats...
“A person who is ineligible to serve cannot run for office.”
Wrong. As long as Nancy Pelosi signs his certificate swearing he is eligible then he can run, just like last time. The Supreme Court said NO ONE has standing to challenge that.
And then ALL of them will stay silent in fear of Obama?
We're talking about large egos to begin with, because they are Presidential contenders. You think that ALL of them would cower before the Almighty Obama?
-PJ
-PJ
You think Hillary and Bill don’t have large egos?
The regime has ways of controlling judges - and John Roberts’ turnabout on Obamacare should have us all quaking in our boots. There is much, much more to that story, but it’s not yet time to tell it (and I’m not the one who should be telling it anyway).
And if you saw the post of this thread’s resident snake, you’d know the argument made by a lot of “conservatives” in places like FR: the puppet-masters don’t have to threaten ALL of the contenders, just the one who could claim they would be President if Obama had been forced to obey the Constitution. And they could only claim that after Obama had already violated the Constitution - in a system that claims that Constitutional issues are NOT decided by the courts but by Congress (since the courts say it is a “political issue”) and where Congress has said it will NOT “overturn the results of an election”.
IOW, we’ve already been told what the score is, and the fact is that if everybody lives by the same arguments they made so adamantly in 2008 and 2012, the only thing standing in the way of Obama illegally occupying our White House for life (presuming he has the audacity to try it...) is whether the person who tabulates the votes puts more electoral votes for the D, or for the R.
And that’s pretty much what Rush said too. He knows what’s going on. I’m glad that he recognizes that 2008 was a coup...
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