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The World Really is Full of Oil
Townhall.com ^ | March 7, 2015 | John Ransom

Posted on 03/07/2015 5:04:56 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: tbpiper; ROCKLOBSTER
"Mostly carbon, I would guess."

Yep. Heat and pressure turn the carbohydrates into hydrocarbons, basically chasing oxygen out of the compound. But this process starts with carbohydrates, (sugars and cellulose from plant growth).

The point being, on Earth at least, life gets the petroleum process going. That's what makes it a "fossil fuel".

And that means that it accumulates slowly, but can be extracted and processed more quickly than it can naturally accumulate.

This is not worrisome, at least to me, because normal economics make petroleum as a fuel more expensive over time (over the long run, of course), and really incentivizes us to find adequate alternatives and processes.

Just don't let the politicians be the ones leading us in that development; they don't know wind power from fart power.

41 posted on 03/07/2015 8:01:07 AM PST by NicknamedBob (Do your light housework in your dreams. What else is sleep for but to clear away the cobwebs?)
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To: NicknamedBob
Yours isn't exactly a reply to my comment, but...

Heat and pressure turn the carbohydrates into hydrocarbons, basically chasing oxygen out of the compound.

Well, either that or some deep ocean microbe scavanger that assists in the decomposition of plankton...or a combination that provides the necessary environment.

But this process starts with carbohydrates, (sugars and cellulose from plant growth).

That would be the algae I referenced.

If I'm right, considering how long the Sun has been shining on all the oceans, and the yet to be discovered "oceans of petroleum" in the depths...I doubt we could ever use it all up or even keep up with its production.

42 posted on 03/07/2015 8:19:14 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Bryanw92

It is not a theory that oil is only found sourced to sedimentary basins, or that it contains microfossils from the organisms laid down in the layers where oil is found, or that it is so old we cannot measure its age with radiographic carbon dating.


43 posted on 03/07/2015 8:35:55 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: stockpirate

Crude oil is far more complex than the simple methane, ethane found on planets/moons without sufficient oxygen.


44 posted on 03/07/2015 8:38:20 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
"If I'm right, considering how long the Sun has been shining on all the oceans, and the yet to be discovered "oceans of petroleum" in the depths...I doubt we could ever use it all up or even keep up with its production."

Of course you're right.

Yep.

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Absolutely.

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However, the costs of extraction will still rise.

What this means is that eventually, economic pressures will push alternative technologies or fuel substitutes forward to compete with fossil fuel technology. This is not a bad thing, it is a good thing.

Now, what I want to see is more development of nuclear technology; fission, fusion, laser implosions, oh my yes!

Ahem. Of course, I can also accept such things as the nitro-hydrogen economy, or improved battery technology which allows a solar mirror to fire up a battery/capacitor hybrid to Star Trek phaser power levels.

I'm not picky. I just want my Flying Car.

45 posted on 03/07/2015 8:43:00 AM PST by NicknamedBob (Do your light housework in your dreams. What else is sleep for but to clear away the cobwebs?)
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To: NicknamedBob
However, the costs of extraction will still rise.

It might, or not. Depends on government interference.

I doubt floating rigs will be the answer, but rather those submerged in the stable water below the waves and storms, aided by the type of robotic diving drones we saw performing at the Deepwater Horizon spill.

I had no idea such things had even been developed yet until I saw them in action. Just like fracking/horizontal drilling. Once a field gets started, it's very likely the floodgates will spring open.

46 posted on 03/07/2015 9:00:04 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: thackney
it contains microfossils from the organisms laid down in the layers where oil is found

So...what are they?

47 posted on 03/07/2015 9:01:55 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Right. 42 metric gallons.


48 posted on 03/07/2015 9:21:51 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

Your math is kind of messed up.

How do you go from saying that the U.S. has a break even price of $60-65 per BARREL and then determine that means the break even price is actually $3000 per BARREL?


49 posted on 03/07/2015 9:56:23 AM PST by sipow
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To: Texas Eagle
Right. 42 metric gallons.

Wrong. 42 US gallons (35 Imperial gallons)

A drum is 55 gallons.

50 posted on 03/07/2015 9:58:27 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Oh, that's right. I always get Imperial Gallons and US Gallons confused.

Plus, I've already been corrected several times so at this point I'm just yanking people's chains.

51 posted on 03/07/2015 10:41:08 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

There are three groups which are of particular importance to hydrocarbon exploration. (The uses of microfossils in developing oil fields are analogous to those in exploration and so for brevity I will use the term exploration, which is looking for new resources, without the addition “development” or “exploitation” which refer to the drilling of wells to develop a field found by exploration.) The three microfossil groups most commonly used are: foraminifera, calcareous nannofossils, and palynomorphs. A brief introduction to each of these groups is included {at the link}

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/fosrec/ONeill.html


52 posted on 03/07/2015 5:49:35 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney; NicknamedBob
Thank you Thackney.

So I read the article, and in virtually every case, these nannofossils are "marine" organisms....and I don't mean Semper fi here.

(free-floating in the oceans/they lived floating in the water column/golden-brown algae that are very abundant in the world's oceans/the red algae which make up the "red tides" in modern oceans)

53 posted on 03/08/2015 9:12:04 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER; thackney
... in virtually every case, these nannofossils are "marine" organisms...

Keep in mind, it took a l.o.n.g time for the dry land area to be colonized by life on the primordial Earth. All life was in the sea for quite a while. If you want a huge build-up of tiny bodies, the oceans of a primitive Earth are a good place to find them.

The Carboniferous Era gave rise to an entirely different class of carbon-sequestering procedures, but who wants coal anymore?

54 posted on 03/08/2015 10:49:13 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Do your light housework in your dreams. What else is sleep for but to clear away the cobwebs?)
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To: NicknamedBob
If you want a huge build-up of tiny bodies, the oceans of a primitive Earth are a good place to find them.

And they use these fossils as a marker in their exploration...where there are fossils, oil is likely to be found.

They can make petroleum from algae in a facility and it doesn't take a million years (30 minutes in a pressure cooker). I don't know why it's hard to imagine those conditions could not occur naturally in the depths and beneath the sea floor as a "continual feed" process.

55 posted on 03/08/2015 10:56:50 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

The advantage, of course, is that these “tiny bodies” do not come encumbered by concrete galoshes. (Unless you count shells. I don’t know if they count.)


56 posted on 03/08/2015 11:17:10 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Do your light housework in your dreams. What else is sleep for but to clear away the cobwebs?)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Sedimentary basins are formed underwater. As the earth cycles from ice age and melted glaciers, over millions of years, oceans rise and fall. The algea, plankton and the like gets trapped away from oxygen. Lakes as well but tend to be smaller.


57 posted on 03/08/2015 11:17:34 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Exactly. I’m sure that heat and pressure are only part of the equation, there’s no way some anaerobic bacteria can’t be at work in the conversion of the soft tissue of these organisms to black muck to crude oil.

Alcohol, vinegar and ammonia are also just biological waste by-products. We do see methane bubbling up from swamp muck and probably the ocean floor. (What’s going on down there?)


58 posted on 03/08/2015 11:30:22 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

We know algae and other plant/animals make oils/fats. Trapped in sediment where there is not sufficient oxygen to fully decompose, hydrocarbons remain unable to oxidize and fully decompose like they would on the ground in the air.


59 posted on 03/08/2015 12:19:27 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: NicknamedBob

If you want a huge build-up of tiny bodies, the oceans of a primitive Earth are a good place to find them.

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The process continues today, but the earth got several million years head start on us consuming them.


60 posted on 03/08/2015 12:23:17 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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