Posted on 02/24/2015 3:54:48 PM PST by doug from upland
On Scott Walker and the absolutely absurd media histrionics concerning his refusal to both take responsibility for Rudy Giulianis comments, and also confirm President Obamas Christianity for the world, I cant help wondering, why does the press seem to want and need Obama to be a Christian? I dont remember them much caring for it that Dubya was one.
The answer to whether or not someone believes President Obama (or anyone) is a Christian is really simple. If I were a pol, it would go like this:
MSM: Do you think the president is a Christian?
Me: What a weird question. Man says hes a Christian, I take him at his word.
MSM: Youre not answering the question.
Me: I am answering it the only way a reasonable person can answer it: if a guy says hes a Christian, I have no reason to doubt him, absent some evidence of behavior that tells me otherwise. Have you heard of any such behavior?
MSM: Well, no!
Me: Then I guess thats your answer, isnt it?
Actually, Walker appears to have come close to that sort of response and the press didnt like it. They wanted the affirmation, or a complete dissembling that could be turned into a disqualifying gotcha and a gaffe.
But, Governor, what about your gaffe? is the game the press loves to play, at least in one direction.
Still, I cant help thinking, why? Why, suddenly, is it so important to the press that this presumptive candidate, Scott Walker, confirm President Obamas Christianity? Has someone suggested that privately Walker believes differently? Does someone have a tape of him vaguely implying that Obama is not a Christian, and theyre waiting to use that at some future date?
Because otherwise, it seems strange to me that the question even came up. Its reminiscent of the out-of-the-blue question about contraception that George Stephanopoulos threw at Mitt Romney in 08. That question proved to be a stage-setter; the foundation upon which the Democrats successfully build an utterly fake narrative of a GOP war on women with bonus your contraception is going to be banned by Catholics and women-haters narrative.
Are we being prepped for 2016's fake narrative? In Clintonian election years we always hear some variation about Hillary Clintons strong, pragmatic Methodist faith, and since this Pew study points out that almost all US Presidents have been Christian, is this a tactic to keep everyone talking about how the Democrat nominee whoever she will be is a hardy Christian, while pitting progressive Christianity against conservative Christianity.
Taking the long view, is it all part of a strategy, meant to reframe the idea of faith and conscience itself one that softens Americans up to the notion that Freedom of Worship, (described by Frank Bruni as in their pews, homes and hearts, but not in the public square) is the equivalent of Freedom of Religion?
A question about Obamas Christianity, six years into his presidency, is so weird that I wonder if it is about to be held up to us as a shining example of what humble faith should be: largely unexpressed in public and deferential to the greater common good of government, from which our consciences should be formed in trust and obedience?
That sounds crazy. But then again, suggesting women were about to lose their birth control (and by extension abortion, their careers and all of their dreams) in 2012 sounded crazy too, but the pitch was thrown and the public swung at it, over and over, until 2014, when that ball got overthrown and bases were loaded on wild pitches.
When the fastball is worn out, you go to the change-up. Or the knuckle ball.
On Giulianis remarks about Obama and whether or not he loves the country, I expect every GOP contender, in turn, will be asked about it, challenged to affirm Obamas patriotism.
Its weird. Why should anyone but Obama have to affirm his creed or his national pride? Thats like someone going into an apartment and saying, tell us about your neighbor; do you think hes this? Do you think he is that? The correct answer is, I dunno, have you asked him? What does he say? Dont you have anything more pressing to report on than a private citizen having opinions?
MSM: But Mayor Giuliani said Obama doesnt love America, how do you answer for that?
Me: What answer would you like? When did I become responsible for the mind of another person? Is Obama responsible for the mind of Debbie Wasserman Schultz or Harry Reid? Was Obama responsible for Hillarys idiotic, at this point what difference does it make? For that matter, are you responsible for the thoughts of others? Well, actually you might be, because so much of what we still allow to be called news is less about information than formation, isnt it? I mean, you do form minds when you frame and promote narratives rather than simply reporting stories, dont you?
Americans have come to really dislike and distrust mainstream media. Given that and the medias fealty to whomever the Democrat candidate will be seems to me it costs nothing for any GOP candidate to, when served gotcha-crap, just hand it right back to them, until they stop it.
I mean, were talking politics, here, not reality.
Afterthought:
Since the press is so interested in the thoughts of a man who hasnt held any sort of office for 14 years, I wonder why they are not also plotzing and carping about this retired Admiral another private citizen suggesting that Obama is anti-American and pro-Islamic.
I dont know if the President is anti-American, by the way, or if hes just a standard-issue-academic-antinationaist (the latter would be my guess) but seriously, why shouldnt the White House say, yes, we are pro-Islam? After all, Obama said the Muslim call to prayer at sunset was one of the prettiest sounds on earth ; he went to the UN and declared to the UN that the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. He is certainly not anti-Islam. Whats their problem (or for that matter, the medias problem) with saying, youre damn right! As pro-Islam as George W. Bush was; pro-Islam enough to want to protect it!
But I suppose that would be too easy, too clear, and it wouldnt suit the gotcha game, which is a shame, because that game is tiresome and the people playing it are ill-serving the country they are so quick to say they love.
Last thoughts:
To my way of thinking a President should want to express a sense of protectiveness over all of the great religions and their constitutional right, in America, to exercise their belief just as he should want to protect the right to believe nothing at all. On that, Obama isnt quite up to par, is he? It would be nice if he felt protective of, say, the Little Sisters of the Poor.
I think Obama is just a strange dude: An American who thinks carrying on about the country is unseemly, and whose praises can therefore seem like reluctant sops, yanked out of his mouth only when votes matter; a Christian who feels no need to shout about his creed, and feels duty-bound to go out of his way to protect other beliefs, all while encroaching upon fellow Christians.
Maybe Obama believes he is being brave and honorable in both cases.
It is, in fact, a courageous thing to temper ones patriotism with fair critiques; it is courageous to defend the beliefs of others. But in both cases, such courage must be supported by unambiguous baseline pronouncements that reveal (by word and deed) ones commitment to country and creed. Otherwise, what you get is a giant, confusing and amorphous mess, that has people wondering about you.
Then again, I think Obama likes all the confusion, too. Ive always believed that he is, in the end, a guy who is comfortable with chaos.
Related:
Instapundit: JAY CARUSO: The Media: When You Attack Obama, Youre Attacking Them: In Obama they see themselves.
Heh. Yeah. I actually have written a book about that
Read more:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2015/02/23/obamas-creed-are-we-being-prepped-for-2016s-fake-narrative/#ixzz3Si2uOKCE
I don’t think we’re being “prepped” for anything. I think it was a natural question that arose out of Rudy’s challenge to Zero’s patriotism, and expanded to his love of Muslims and his utter unwillingness to tie Islam to any of the terrorism going on.
sounds kooky enough to be plausible for this admin.
This is a turf battle about context. The media wants to use Giuliani's comments against other Republicans in the way that the writer says: either Republican candidates assert that the president is a Christian or a patriot, or they're maligned for questioning Obama's bona fides, and that's used against the whole party ("fever swamps," etc.)
What Walker's doing is turning this around and making the media themselves the issue, and when that happens, the press gets very uncomfortable. After all, their veto power is at stake.
It's a very good question.
Obama feels perfectly justified in saying that those who kill and enslave in the name of Islam aren’t really muslim.
From what I’ve seen of Barack Obama, he uses the identity of being “Christian” to maintain support from the churchgoing black population (David Axelrod confessed that Obama lied about opposing same sex marriage on the grounds that it was a sacred institution between a man and a woman with God in the mix).
Barack has been far more vocal in his admiration of Islam (and has pushed American foreign policy in ways to have advanced Islamic theocratic rule in the Middle East).
I don’t know if he believes in any deity.
From his answers in 2004 (Jesus is not the only way, Jesus is a historical figure), I don’t recognize him as a Christian.
Any time he speaks of Christianity, it comes across as trying to appease those who like mumbo jumbo.
Michelle is happy about those who pray and keep the spirits away.
It was not lost that the CIA found WMD’s
WMDs Were Found in Iraq
CIA Bought 400 Rockets Filled With Sarin Gas
February 16, 2015
Hillarys vote to go to war damaged her in 2008. Probably the main reason she lost the Progressive Base. Don’t think for a minute that the above headline isn’t there by design.
Reminds me of that fake sign language guy in Africa, just self-conscious gesticulating.
Who am I to judge would have been the best comeback.
Obama demanded the crucifix be covered at Georgetown. There’s your answer.
I know two avowed atheists who get very angry when you say Obama isn’t a Christian. It makes no sense.
Does the Pope crap in the woods?
Is delusion not just a river in Egypt?
Does that previous question not make any sense?
/rhetorical questions
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