Stock Rally Adds Another Percent while Metals Fade: Week Ahead Worries-- Investor Thread Feb. 22

Weekly investment & finance thread ^ | February 22, 2015 | Freeper Investors

[1010RD]

Correct, absolutely correct. Free markets are based on trust. Trust is experiential, but it also reflects the natural world. When you see economic oddities for instance interest rates going down when they should be shooting up to reflect risk, you’re natural understanding of the world is broken.

Socialism breaks the natural consequences via political manipulation by those in control of government. Bets get bigger because government will intervene, hence too big to fail. That destroys trust.

[1010RD]

Europe via socialism has destroyed the work incentive and humans respond to incentives.

[1010RD]

Free trade in currencies is an illusion without the ability for new entrants to get into the market. Governments follow the same general pattern throughout the world. Look at Japan’s response to it’s central planning by MITI, now METI.

Look at how the IRS ruled on bitcoin. Are they neutral arbiters of what is and isn’t a currency. The market works and you have demonstrated a deep belief in markets.

What’s the harm of a true free market in currency? Stocks, bonds and ETFs are very close to being currency.

[abb]

If the history of the World proves anything, it is that market forces cannot be indefinitely manipulated. They eventually correct, sometimes precipitously, sometimes slowly.

That history also shows the contest between the “something for nothing” believers, and the “return for ones effort” people has gone on since began.

It will continue to go on.

Meanwhile, we all have to function the best we can, day to day.

[expat_panama]

Competition between Euro, Dollar and Yen

Competition rules and all must obey the law of supply and demand.  The world market has decided it wants one currency: the U.S. dollar.  Sure, some places use other kinds but they all evenutally end up going back to using dollars.  Kind of like Windows vs OS.  I recently visited a factory making Apple computers and computer systems for running the line and QC used applications on Windows platforms.

[abb]

I recently visited a factory making Apple computers and computer systems for running the line and QC used applications on Windows platforms.

SCREECH, SCREECH!!! Heathen!!! Heretic!!! Apostate!!! You just wait until the witch-burning detail gets here!!

[Toddsterpatriot]

What’s the harm of a true free market in currency?

So I get paid in "American Express Dollars" my mortgage is in "Exxon Dollars" and my bank pays interest in "JPMorgan Dollars".

I go to the store and items are priced in 18 different currencies. Seems a little clunky.

[1010RD]

Good insights and true. Thus has it always been and perfection isn’t for this world. Thanks.

[1010RD]

Interesting and I do prefer King Dollar to any other world currency king. At least we have a historical commitment to free markets and free trade.

[expat_panama]

Heathen!!! Heretic!!! Apostate!!!

lol!!  It's the old conflict between how we say what we want to believe vs how we do what works.  Kind of like the way tariff lovers tell us it's unAmerican to drink Panamanian coffee even though they themselves love to hoard Chinese gold.

[1010RD]

That would be clunky and what we see in clunky markets is consolidation, no?

Look at credit cards: Visa, MasterCard, and AE dominate. Not clunky, but totally functional. The market makes it work or changes it until it does.

All I’m calling for is an end to government monopoly of currency in America.

[abb]

I’ve always said the do-gooders always want to do-good with money that belongs to someone else.

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

” do-gooders always want to do-good with money that belongs to someone else”

Philanthropy is fun when you got your hand in someone else’s pocket.

[Grampa Dave]

“Whole Foods has seen smartphone transactions surge 400 percent since it integrated Apple Pay.”

No real surprise there. I thought that the surge might be higher with eco liberals shopping at Whole Paycheck and their addictions to I Phones.

[Grampa Dave]

“Personally, I’d love to see an alternative to PayPal.”

So would I have.

I have used PP forever and never had problem until a few weeks ago.

Fellow Fly Fishers and kayakers are constantly selling and trading fly rods, reels, lines and kayaks/kayak parts.

PP has been great there. It has been great until I tried to sign up for a free 2 week trial on Ancestors.com with my new Android tablet.

I apparent signed up with AC wrong and correctly with PP. I was never able to log on to AC. I tried to send a hold to PP, and I never got through. I contacted AC several times and only got long complicated processes to do on my computer, and none worked to cancel the order and start out again. They just billed me for a service never used because I can’t log on.

So I get billed for a $100 from AC for a year’s service, and I still can’t log on.

If I had used one of my Visa cards, that payment would have been cancelled. My credit card vendors want to keep our business. That doesn’t work with PP. Good luck canceling it now and get a refund.

Visa for its high end customers apparently has something like PP that allows you to use your email and a log in without giving out your credit card number charge purchases on line.

I will be checking that out. Like others I get worried when I hand a cc to a waiter.waitress and they disappear from view. Now, I sit so I can see their credit card machine.

[expat_panama]

Visa for its high end customers apparently has something like PP that allows you to use your email and a log in

Now that is something that's very good to know --tx!

[expat_panama]

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[Aquamarine]

Visa for its high end customers apparently has something like PP that allows you to use your email and a log in without giving out your credit card number charge purchases on line. I will be checking that out.

I'd be interested to know how that works.

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

I think this may be it.

Visa Checkout

In 2013 Visa launched Visa Checkout, an online payment system that removes the need to share card details with retailers. The Visa Checkout service allows users to enter all their personal details and card information, then use a single username and password to make purchases from online retailers. On the 27 November 2013 V.me went live in the UK, France, Spain and Poland, with Nationwide Building Society being the first financial institution in Britain to support it.[75]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_Inc.#Visa_Checkout

[Aquamarine]

Thanks. My Visa card has a Rewards Program that can be redeemed for cash or merchandise. Don't know if PayPal offers such a thing, stopped using PayPal years ago.

Will call Visa tomorrow and see about getting a Visa Checkout set up.