We need to defend those bakers rights to refuse to make wedding cakes. No head in sand here, sir. STOP ASSUMING YOU KNOW WHAT I KNOW. You do not know me, and I do not assume to know you.
I’m well aware of the incidents with wedding planners, bakers, etc., and it enrages me.
But I won’t take away someone else’s liberty to defend another’s unless they have harmed said person in a profound way. There’s a difference.
Liberty is forfeit when an individuals actions takes away the liberty of another. So in the case of the wedding cake bakers, if we remove their ability to conduct their business as they like, we risk having to forfeit the rights of those filing suit against them (ACLU and homosexuals on a crusade - a pox on their heads and others).
So our courts must defend the rights of the bakers as well the rights of the homosexuals who want to have their civil unions and marry in the churches that will allow it.
Quite simply, the bakers can say “no,” and the churches can say “no,” and the homosexuals can get married in their back yard by whomever will have them and they can bake their own damn cakes. They can make their choices and we can make ours. It’s just that simple.
I will defend liberty where it is threatened. I won’t attack an entire misguided community and take away their rights, however.
Here’s how conservative I am. I wholeheartedly disagree with Lincoln’s decision to preserve the union when half the nation had a fundamentally different belief system and wanted to pursue it on their own and in peace. Lincoln was wrong.
Slavery is also wrong, as it deprives men of their god given liberty, but taking away the liberty of an entire culture to defend the liberty of others is a crime in and of itself.
I believe in liberty so profoundly that I know that it will triumph no matter what we do. Eventually the slaves would have freed themselves and killed their masters. Eventually the south would have had to abandon that entire way of life and economy because it deprived so many of their rights and because it competed poorly against a more free market, free labor driven economy right north of them. History has proven me right over and over again. Russia, France, England - it will happen in China sooner rather than later, and it will happen wherever humans are not free to make their own decisions and live their own lives.
The government shouldn’t sanction, forbid, condone, or support any kind of marriage in any way. It’s none of the U.S. Government’s business, it’s none of the state’s business.
You also didn’t read my post - I already said I would defend churches who are forced by the government to conduct gay marriages.
Typical libertarian claptrap. Marriage and the family is THE cornerstone of every successful nation. Our Constitution and our laws for 200 years promoted and protected the family. And as the US tears down and dismantles the sanctity of marriage, we see the disastrous results that have left us with a welfare society.
Unless we return to a social structure WITH GODLY LAWS AND VALUES in place, we have no chance at success. Upthread you admitted to being a liberal as oppposed to being a Christian.
Consider this.... http://www.faithfacts.org/blog/libertarianism-christianity
An empty promise, since you've surrendered moral principle.
I'd no more trust someone like yourself to defend right than I would trust an arsonist's promise to help out with building maintenance.