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Chief Alabama judge would defy Supreme Court in gay marriage ruling
http://www.cnn.com ^ | February 12, 2015 | CNN

Posted on 02/12/2015 11:24:02 AM PST by NKP_Vet

Washington (CNN)The chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court insisted Thursday he will continue to resist efforts to implement same-sex marriage in his state, even if the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of same-sex marriage later this year.

Chief Justice Roy Moore likened an eventual U.S. Supreme Court ruling in favor of same-sex marriage to the Dred Scott ruling and Plessy v. Ferguson, two 19th century Supreme Court rulings that upheld slavery and segregation, respectively.

"If it's an unlawful mandate you can refuse to mandate it. You can dissent to the United States Supreme Court," Moore said in a testy interview with CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day." "I will follow the law as I interpret it."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama
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To: NKP_Vet

Bttt


41 posted on 02/12/2015 12:50:00 PM PST by Guenevere
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To: MplsSteve

“but they had sworn an oath to the Constitution”

No where in the Constitution does it mention marriage and if the Constitution does not spell it out the States make the laws. It’s about damn time the US Federal gubment understand that basic fact about governance. Judge Moore has forgotten more about the Constitution of the United States than John Roberts has ever learned.


42 posted on 02/12/2015 12:52:33 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

2/11/2015 - Political cartoon for the Alabama Media Group by the progressive leftist, J.D. Crowe of Fairhope, AL
43 posted on 02/12/2015 1:01:25 PM PST by MacNaughton (" ...it is better to die on the losing side than to live under Communism." Whitaker Chambers)
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To: NKP_Vet; aMorePerfectUnion; beaversmom; cloudmountain; cripplecreek; CyberAnt; DBeers; Fungi; ...

God bless Justice Roy Moore.

IMO, he needs to stick to a strong constitution-based argument for rejecting the federal court decision. Chris Cuomo was trying to get Moore to argue on the basis of personal morals. But federal authority is not based on personal morals. The Constitution is the ONLY basis of federal authority. Getting muddled on that point is how the Leftist Fabian Socialists have eroded our constitutional free republic.

Moore has a constitutional right to reject federal court decisions that are found, in good-faith, to be unconstitutional. The feds have no constitutional authority in the area of marriage and therefore have no legitimate right to interfere with Alabama’s marriage and anti-gay marriage laws. That is his argument.

It’s time for the states to stand up to these lawless thugs.


44 posted on 02/12/2015 1:03:11 PM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: NKP_Vet
No where in the Constitution does it mention marriage and if the Constitution does not spell it out the States make the laws. It’s about damn time the US Federal gubment understand that basic fact about governance.

Was the Supreme Court's decision in Loving v. Virginia wrong?

45 posted on 02/12/2015 1:03:16 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: demshateGod

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>> “The 10 commandments were removed from the court house if I’m not mistaken.” <<

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Not by Moore!

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46 posted on 02/12/2015 1:36:15 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: All

The fix is no secret at the USSC.

Ginsberg as much as confessed it. If this was any other court (or issue) a recusal would be guaranteed.

Thomas has already warned us the fix is in.

Oral argument should be terminated as a legal futility given the predetermined outcome. The federal judges have spoken and equated fetish behavior as immutable.


47 posted on 02/12/2015 1:40:03 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

That is the fact.


48 posted on 02/12/2015 1:48:11 PM PST by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: editor-surveyor

They were removed and he lost his job. What I’m saying is he will probably lose this too. Hope not. I’ll pray for him.


49 posted on 02/12/2015 1:50:06 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Not on point.

In all major societies “marriage” has always been between “man and woman” or “man and women”.

Any racial discrimination has not altered this definition.

The homosexual lobby wants to change the meaning of a word and then claim that they are being excluded from application of this new definition.

If the meaning of words can be altered then there are no limits.


50 posted on 02/12/2015 1:53:46 PM PST by Ray76 (Obama says, "Unlike my mum, Ruth has all the documents needed to prove who Mark's father was.")
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To: plain talk

Wonder if the people of Alabama have the guts, that if it gets that far to declare secession once again?


51 posted on 02/12/2015 2:14:54 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: MplsSteve

Which is why the “National Guard” units need to remain independent from the US Army unless in a period of war from outside.


52 posted on 02/12/2015 2:18:51 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: demshateGod

And he got his job right back.

The people are with him solidly.

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53 posted on 02/12/2015 2:28:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: JSDude1
Which is why the “National Guard” units need to remain independent from the US Army unless in a period of war from outside.

The Constitution provides three bases for federalizing the Guard: "to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions." (Art. I, sec. 8, cl.15). It was the "execute the Laws of the Union" clause which President Eisenhower relied on when he federalized the state guard to enforce federal court integration orders.

54 posted on 02/12/2015 2:29:02 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: PapaNew; All
"Moore has a constitutional right to reject federal court decisions that are found, in good-faith, to be unconstitutional. The feds have no constitutional authority in the area of marriage and therefore have no legitimate right to interfere with Alabama’s marriage and anti-gay marriage laws. That is his argument."

One reason that thug justices are getting away with trashing 10th Amendment-protected state sovereignty is because Constitution-ignorant citizens are not aware that lawless Obama’s justices are wrongly ignoring Supreme Court case precedent which relates to these issues. The stuff below was just posted in a related thread.

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Please bear in mind that the following critique is directed at pro-gay activist judges and justices who are hiding behind PC interpretations of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protections Clause (EPC) to justify gay marriage.

Contrary to what pro-gay activist judges and justices want everybody to believe about the constitutionality of gay marriage, some scratching on the EPC as it relates to 10th Amendment power to regulate marriage has shown that the Supreme Court has historically clarified that EPC relates to violators of state marriage laws as follows.

To begin with, the congressional record indicates that concern was expressed about how 14th Amendment would affect unique state power to regulate marriage, one lawmaker expressing that he wanted his state to retain the right to prohibit interracial marriage.

“I have no fault lo find with the colored race. I have not the slightest antipathy to them. I wish them well, and if I were in a State where they exist in large numbers I would vote to give them every right enjoyed by the white people except the right of a negro man to marry a white woman [emphasis added] and the right to vote.” — Rep. Andrew J. Rogers, 39th Congress, Congressional Globe, 1866 . (See top half of last column.)

So did the ratified 14th Amendment with its EPC prohibit the states from exercising their unique, 10th Amendment-protected power to regulate marriage, including regulating / prohibiting certain types of cohabitation? The Supreme Court’s decision in Pace v. Alabama (1883) clearly indicates that it did not.

More specifically, the Court didn’t buy an interracial couple’s argument that their relationship was protected by the EPC, but clarified that what the EPC actually did for them with respect to breaking the marriage / cohabitation law was to guarantee that they were equally punished. Here’s Justice Field’s explanation.

The counsel is undoubtedly correct in his view of the purpose of the clause of the amendment in question -- that it was to prevent hostile and discriminating state legislation against any person or class of persons. Equality of protection under the laws implies not only accessibility by each one, whatever his race, on the same terms with others to the courts of the country for the security of his person and property, but that in the administration of criminal justice, he shall not be subjected for the same offense to any greater or different punishment [emphasis added]. Such was the view of Congress in the reenactment of the Civil Rights Act of May 31, 1870, c. 114, after the adoption of the amendment. That act, after providing that all persons within the jurisdiction of the United States shall have the same right, in every state and territory, to make and enforce contracts, to sue, be parties, give evidence, and to the full and equal benefit of all laws and proceedings for the security of person and property as is enjoyed by white citizens, declares, in sec. 16, that they shall be subject
”to like punishment, pains, penalties, taxes, licenses, and exactions of every kind, and none other, any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to the contrary notwithstanding.”
Pace v. Alabama, 1883 .

Note that John Bingham, the main author of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment where the EPC is found, is also the main author of the quoted language from the Civil Rights Act of 1870 referenced in the excerpt above.

So pro-gay activist justices are unsurprisingly wrongly ignoring 10th Amendment-protected power to regulate marrige as evidenced by Supreme Court case precedent concerning the EPC and marriage / cohabitation.

Note that Pace v. Alabama was later overturned after Constitution-ignoring FDR had “nuked” the Supreme Court with 10th Amendment-ignoring activist justices.

55 posted on 02/12/2015 2:38:22 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: PapaNew

My FRiend, you have nailed it. The entire federal government, let alone one leftist judge cannot be allowed to dictate to the states outside clear constitutional authority. Time for the question : how many divisions does she have?


56 posted on 02/12/2015 3:51:31 PM PST by Hugh the Scot ( Total War)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Moore belongs on the SC. Would love to see Cruz nominate him someday, and solidly conservative Senate seat him promptly.

Even if he did Moore would never get past the filibuster.

57 posted on 02/12/2015 3:59:51 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Hugh the Scot

Let’s find the state(s) that want Liberty more than Life itself. That’s what it took to win our freedom 250 years ago, and that’s what it’s going to take to win it back now IMO.


58 posted on 02/12/2015 4:05:15 PM PST by PapaNew (The grace of God & freedom always win the debate in the forum of ideas over unjust law & government)
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To: PapaNew

Moore should have looked at fake Catholic Cuomo and said “you being born and raised a Catholic, why do you spit in the face of your own faith that is very specific about what constitutes marriage and that is the union of one man and one woman”. Then when Cuomo gets hot under the color Moore should have followed up by saying “I’m not a Catholic, but I do know about about Catholicism and you have effectively excommunicated yourself from the Catholic Church by your refusal to follow the doctrine of almighty God, and that also includes your supporting abortion on demand, which is also a forbidden in the Catholic Church. Mr. Cuomo why do remain in a faith you have nothing in common with”.

State after state has had elections and the people overwhemingly say marriage is the union of a man and a woman and has been since the beginning of recorded time. Then along comes the leftist anti-Christian radical Obama looking for a few votes and he “evolves” on same-sex “marriage”. What a phoney POS. Well they can it “marriage” all they want, but anyone with a brain knows marriage is the union of a man and woman for the creation of children and the good of society. When men start giving birth to children they can say they are in a marriage, and guess what, that ain’t never happening.


59 posted on 02/12/2015 4:42:45 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Maybe, but I prefer the older system where the “State Militia/National Guard” were accountable to the State Governors, not the US President, directly. Federalism-REAL federalism should be the rule in our system, not the exception.


60 posted on 02/12/2015 5:08:45 PM PST by JSDude1
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