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To: Talisker

It just boggles the mind. Whatever their inner feminine leanings, such masculine achievements would, it seems, make them proud of being a man and embrace their masculine side.


84 posted on 02/12/2015 12:47:48 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Je suis Charlie, you miserable Islamist throwbacks!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It just boggles the mind. Whatever their inner feminine leanings, such masculine achievements would, it seems, make them proud of being a man and embrace their masculine side.

Well obviously that pride in manhood leading to a deeper embracing of that manhood is virtually always the result, and certainly the overwhelming norm.

Yet in fact, even here they have pride in their manhood, but instead of it leading to embracing it, it enables them to throw it before other men and say, "there, I've satisfied your requirements beyond anything you can do" as a justification for then leaving that manhood.

Of course, contrary to liberal sociology, this is not a cry against collective gender assumptions. Is far more likely that mentally and emotionally they are "saying" this to someone who shamed them as a child, probably one or both parents, but perhaps friends or others. The only other thing that could trigger it is simply their extraordinary accomplishments themselves. I mean does anyone really know what Olympic champions or SEALs really go through? I'm sure than when they get together they talk about experiences and reactions they have that no one else would understand. No, they all don't match down and get their nuts cut off, but the idea that they deal with extreme private reactions in some way for the rest of their lives is not unreasonable. Simply put, their incredible accomplishments have changed them. They aren't who they were when they started. Not worse off, necessarily, but looking at the world with different eyes, certainly.

89 posted on 02/12/2015 1:27:08 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

One more idea, because I don’t like the generally accepted liberal explanation being because every damn person is somehow “wounded.”

So what if you heard of this SEAL, or Bruce Jenner, always spending time out camping and hiking and fishing, outdoors, and they want nothing to do with anything else. No sex change - just that. And perhaps drinking with their few friends

You’d shrug. You’d say, “yeah, well, if I’d done what they did, I’d just want to spend time outdoors and away from everyone and drink beer too.”

But get this - according to Eastern ways of thinking, Mother Earth is, overall, Feminine - what the Chinese call “Yin.” It has hot male spots, but water and forests are definitely completely feminine. Alcohol, too, is Yin in nature. Put them all together, you’d have a basically majorly Yin environment that - surprise, surprise, most guys like, because, according to this way of thinking, it balances out their masculine “Yang” energy, and cools it down.

But what if you’re a retired SEAL, or an Olympic Decathlon champion? You just might have brought into your life a little tiny bt more masculine Yang energy than most. In fact, you might have completely, utterly blown yourself out with masculine energy, in order to accomplish what you did.

So now you’re retired - how do you rebalance that energy? Drinking? Nature? I’m sure these help, but what if they don’t help enough? What if you’re still on fire, and craving the opposite all the time? What if a fishing trip for a month, camping the whole time, cools you down a little, but nowhere near enough. Think about, as a man, if the normal things you do to “chill out” just stopped working. No mare relaxation from a beer. No more relaxation from camping or fishing. Just doesn’t do it anymore. So - what do you do?

I’m not saying that the answer is “you go get your nuts chopped off, wear a dress and get shot up with estrogen.” LOL! But what if these guys can’t find a way “down”? They are very physical, and very direct, so did that compel them to look for alternative solutions? So is this “transexuality” from the desire to be female, or the desire to just find some relief from the masculine fire energy that burns way hotter in them than in others?

I have no idea. But I do know that what these men accomplished is not “normal” by any means, and it definitely had an effect on them. And unlike others who went through the same thing and who appear to be able to handle retirement, these guys definitely couldn’t as they were. It’s one thing to do the work, it’s another thing to handle having done the work. Maybe some people can do one, but not the other.

The learning that’s been done about PTSD is basically all about explaining such things. Which brings up an intersting idea - are these guys turning female in order to try to cope with their version of hypermasculine PTSD?


90 posted on 02/12/2015 1:49:46 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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