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1 posted on 02/10/2015 12:00:12 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

No mention of the Welfare society that is crippling Greece right now.


2 posted on 02/10/2015 12:02:21 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Kaslin
but owing to a variety of social and demographic conditions, productivity improved more rapidly in Germany and other northern countries

Well, that's a nice way to put it...

3 posted on 02/10/2015 12:02:32 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Kaslin
Hence, the Greeks and other southern Europeans were forced to borrow heavily from private lenders in the north—mostly through their commercial banks—to provide public services, health care and similar services

Yeah, that's right. They were "forced" to borrow to provide benefits that they could not pay for out of taxes. Is that why the US is borrowing to pay for benefits too? Because we were "forced" to?

4 posted on 02/10/2015 12:07:16 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Kaslin

Greece needs to depart the Euro Zone and get back on the drachma as does Spain and probably Italy. They never had the strength of economies to enter the EU in the first place. The Euro Zone is going to break up its just a matter of what moment in time. Nigel Farage is right when he says they all need to be trading partners and work together but not try to be the USA.


5 posted on 02/10/2015 12:10:16 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Kaslin

One other difference between Greece and Germany -

Greeks are a nation of tax-cheats and non-payers, whereas Germans actually pay their taxes.

That’s why Germany has money and Greece doesn’t.

Is Greece interested in solving that problem?

Nope, it’s easier just to shake down those rich Germans again.

Greece is doomed - by their own actions (and inactions).


6 posted on 02/10/2015 12:12:26 PM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Kaslin

Since the death of Demosthenes, it’s all been downhill for Greece


7 posted on 02/10/2015 12:21:09 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: Kaslin

This recent Greek problem started when a government employee in Athens saw a satellite photo of Athens. He noticed that there were many built-in swimming pools at homes. You have to purchase a permit to build an in-ground swimming pool in Athens. No one had bought a permit.
There is the problem with Greece. They don’t pay their taxes so they can have the money to build home swimming pools. Then, they want someone else to pay their taxes. They want the public services, but they don’t want to pay for them. I don’t feel sorry for the freeloaders.
“Let them eat swimming pools.”


8 posted on 02/10/2015 12:33:28 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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I don’t like SYRIZA because they’re a fringe left party, but I appreciate them having the decency of ending the game of charades with the Eurozone.

We’ve been calling this for years already, just let the monstrosity die already.


11 posted on 02/10/2015 12:36:53 PM PST by Shadow44
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So Townhall has become a communist mouthpiece. Noted.


13 posted on 02/10/2015 12:47:51 PM PST by Moltke ("The Press, Watson, is a most valuable institution if you only know how to use it.")
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"Europe has few of the mechanisms that facilitate adjustment in the United States, which has a single currency across a similarly wide range of competitive circumstances.

A single language permits workers to go where the jobs are, whereas most Greeks and Italians are stuck where they are born. New Yorkers’ taxes subsidize public works, health care and the like in Mississippi through the federal government in ways the European Commission cannot accomplish."

This flaw in the EU structure was obvious from the beginning of its foundation. The EU is nothing but an attempt to do away with the nation state and the history, language and traditions of its various people. Every European is to be considered a mindless worker drone, laboring for the benefit of his EU overlords. All sense of national and racial and religious identity is to obliterated.

16 posted on 02/10/2015 12:55:13 PM PST by StormEye
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Greece joined the Eurozone in 2001, giving up the drachma.

Let's not forget that Greece lied and cheated its way into the Eurozone, with the generous (chortle) help of Goldman Sachs. They didn't even come close to meeting any of the criteria then, and they sure as hell don't now. But they wanted a place at the Euro trough and greedily feasted at that for many years. FUG.

17 posted on 02/10/2015 1:01:52 PM PST by Moltke ("The Press, Watson, is a most valuable institution if you only know how to use it.")
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A Townhall article blaming Greece’s socialism-induced problems on Germany? Greece could leave the European currency zone and its corrupt, tax cheating, socialistic, and environmental extremist economy would still flop.


20 posted on 02/10/2015 1:24:35 PM PST by Socon-Econ
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I am no economist (I have this belief in honest work for honest wages which probably disqualifies, lol) but it is not difficult for me to imagine that economists would argue that when and wheree wages are lower in a free trade economic system, that the system can be expected to respond by shifting production to that region. In Greece’s case, production factories should have moved from Germany (high wages) to Greece (low wages), and nothing in EU should have prevented Greece from thus determining their own economic destiny, i.e., the people of Greece could reap the economic rewards of working hard. What happened? Their government and culture contained too much collective inertia, and politics combined with overly easy lending policies led them over the cliff(?)

Personal anecdote: I was in Greece in 2010, and the most visible problem was exploitation of foreign workers from the Balkan countries. Greece had a relatively high minimum wage, which enticed many foreign students to go work there to work in tourist shop retail sales. However, payroll often falls behind (or at least, so I was told), and as a result, the foreign workers often work for little or nothing and their livelihood is often at the mercy of the locals.


21 posted on 02/10/2015 1:38:08 PM PST by SteveH
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To: Kaslin

This is why I no longer frequent the Townhall website.


22 posted on 02/10/2015 1:40:23 PM PST by navyguy (The National Reset Button is pushed with the trigger finger.)
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To: Kaslin

I’m going to object to the premise of the article. From the inception of the European Common market (EEC) in the 1950s, there was opposition and concern, about admitting poorer countries from the South.

The fear was of eventually having to subsidize them.

That fear has been borne out, and the common currency is NOT the cause of problems in Greece.

The article alludes to ‘different demographics, customs, etc.’

The Germans are opposed to working 48 weeks out of a year, so the Greeks can work 42 weeks of a year, to put it in simple terms.

Austerity to Greece, is having to actually work.

And the Germans expect to be repaid.

If Russia thinks their greatly reduced oil revenue will afford them the ability to subsidize Greece, good luck with that.


25 posted on 02/10/2015 2:01:31 PM PST by truth_seeker
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"Germany has been sacking Greece and other Mediterranean economies for years,..."

Seeing the end of Rome II is kinda like feeling the end of Rome I all over again, eh, signor Morici?

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29 posted on 02/10/2015 4:08:31 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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