Has nothing to do with Christians or Jack the Ripper.
Posted on 02/04/2015 11:01:19 AM PST by Kaslin
I agree with you to a point, but I also recognize that older people cannot fight off influenza as easily as a young person can. So at some point I believe it becomes reasoned to get vaccinated against the flu each year. I’ve had about three flu shots in my life. Now at 63 I’m looking at the shots a little differently. I’ll probably start getting the shots each year in a few years.
From one of my perspectives is, how much Govt. regulation will we allow? How much of a living, breathing, Constitution?
On certain religious issues that effect for example a group that CAIR advocates for, the “rights” of “one” outweigh the “rights” of many.
Has nothing to do with Christians or Jack the Ripper.
Apparently, according to some people on this thread, a parent can do whatever he wants.
With Obamacare all we can do is keep our family and ourselves as Healthy as possible. Medical care will be rationed and they will use the excuse that some are expendable for the ‘good’ of others.
[ I agree with you to a point, but I also recognize that older people cannot fight off influenza as easily as a young person can. So at some point I believe it becomes reasoned to get vaccinated against the flu each year. I’ve had about three flu shots in my life. Now at 63 I’m looking at the shots a little differently. I’ll probably start getting the shots each year in a few years. ]
I agree with you, but I have seen the flu shot being pushed on young children via advertising and young people, and whatnot. I have even had someone at a pharmacy try to convinvce me into getting one.
If you need it, get it, but it feels to me they are pushing it like those drugs they push on TV commercials that have a bazillion side effects that only make you skin look a bit better....
Hell no and I would hope that no doctor would perform it. I see people with all sorts of bizarre cosmetic surgery that I had thought a Doctor with the oath of “do no harm”, wouldn’t perform, but obviously still performed. I’m not equating that with vaccines, but how far do we go? Recommend vaccinations and keep the unvaccinated out of school in case of outbreak. Okay, but don’t allow Illegal Immigrants because of PC to not have to follow the same rules, and the Media/This Administration ignore that risk. They won’t address this at all, why? An unvaccinated kid from Central America is certainly as risky as an unvaccinated kid in Santa Monica.
[ “When did this anarcho-libertarian strain infect conservatism?”
I’d rather be much closer to anarchy than we are today to tyranny. ]
Plus it depends on WHAT government one is talking about.
Federal Government should have little to NO say about such decisions, the state governmetn should have more and the local even more.
It should be a “pyramid” when t comes to influence on your personal life, with the base of the pyramid being the local gov, then the state a little higher then at the top the federal, with just a teeny bit of influence over your daily life.
Progressivism wants to literally turn that “pyramid of influence” UPSIDE DOWN.
I take as little as possible. I have to take one medication daily. I never intend to be a person that takes 12 medications daily. I avoid antibiotics because I don’t want to expose my body to them so often that medication resistant infections become more likely.
For pain, I can take only one medication. It’s Vicodin. Nothing else works for me, out of the general household variety of meds. I probably have an incidence where I need it about once every five years.
I’m not convinced getting flu shots for children is that great an idea. For kids, getting the flu is like a right of passage. It just happens. In general they fight it off and are back at school in time.
I will say that a big outbreak can be very disruptive at the school. It does put a dent in the program, some kids missing a fair amount of education time.
Honestly, I too object to the way they try to get everyone to get a flu shot.
When I come down with it, I drink lots of fluids, and try to keep my food intake pretty much limited to fluids as well. I figure making it easier for my body to digest food so it can put more effort into fighting off disease makes sense.
Side effects. I believe everything you take has them. That’s why I limit what I take. I do believe we have to keep this in perspective though. Some vaccines are very important. We shouldn’t lose sight of that.
I agree with your take on things.
I was not talking about polio-which was not considered completely eradicated in some areas of the US until the late 70’s-I’m pretty sure everyone is well acquainted with the effects of that disease-and we certainly can’t equate it with measles-they are apples and oranges.
I was talking about things like diphtheria, typhoid, yellow fever-already eradicated in the US-and a host of tropical diseases we never had here. There are/were military bases all over the world, and if you were going to one of them in a country where those diseases still infected people, you most assuredly would be exposed.
No civilian would unless they were going to that country for a stay-a civilian in the US had just about zero chance of exposure to that stuff unless they were exposed abroad.
The point, which you resist with insults and avoidance, is that there are two kinds of rights... Individual rights, and societal rights. Does an individual have freedom of choice or does society have the right to force people to act in certain ways, be they tracking chips, or vaccinations. If you agree that the individual has that freedom, which used to be the American way, then you must accept the fact that some will make the wrong choice. If you feel that no-one has that right to act wrongly, and that society has the right to compel by brute force decisions about health care and other private matters, then you are socialist. Now you’ve heard my argument.
You do know that you run a higher risk of getting shingles when kids are immunized against chickenpox? Kids with chicken pox provide a booster effect and increase immunity to shingles in adults who have had chicken pox.
The Reyes syndrome you mentioned was most likely due to aspirin given to the child because of fever. It probably was not due to the actual chicken pox.
Crippled and dead from measles? Really?
It's not about polio, smallpox, or diphtheria.
“’You consider skipping any vaccination to be neglect and harm.’
Go back through this thread and point out to me to where I said that.”
You made the statement that parents do not have the right to neglect their children or harm their children in support of mandated vaccinations. Are you now backing off that stance?
Driving is a privilege, your entire rant has nothing to do with the government power grab of required vaccinations. Vaccinations are not currently required, stating that they should CONTINUE to be the parents choice is not an anarcho-libertarian, it is the status-quo. Your stance that they should be is the change.... it is a change for more government, so once again... if you support making vaccines required then you support a big government power grab by your own words.
And for what reason do you support this big increase in the nanny state? By CDC numbers, zero deaths from measles... so the current system is working. So either you don’t support mandatory vaccinations (and agree with the stance you ridicule), or you support big-govt power grab based on a reaction to a non-existent problem. If you want to claim the anti-vaccination people are silly for not following the science... then where is your numbers to justify a govt power grab. Zero deaths = zero reason for nanny state.
As soon as the debate is viewed from the perspective of what the current laws are, your position looks silly.
[ The point, which you resist with insults and avoidance, is that there are two kinds of rights... Individual rights, and societal rights. Does an individual have freedom of choice or does society have the right to force people to act in certain ways, be they tracking chips, or vaccinations. If you agree that the individual has that freedom, which used to be the American way, then you must accept the fact that some will make the wrong choice. If you feel that no-one has that right to act wrongly, and that society has the right to compel by brute force decisions about health care and other private matters, then you are socialist. Now you’ve heard my argument. ]
Any “Needed Socialism” is best kept at a local level where if it starts screwing with people and their lives, it can be easily remediated by the people it affects or abandoned by people moving away.
ANY Socialism at a FEDERAL level is ALWAYS a DISASTER.
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant :)
I know Fred doesn’t.
not saying vaccination is a bad idea, only that do we want the government dictating this? and if we allow this to continue, how long before they mandate all sorts of ‘good ideas’?
When I was in grade school fifty-sixty years ago, kids with polio-affected limbs were common sights. Now you never see them. Anybody who doesn’t have their children vaccinated and a kid comes down with polio ought to be whipped and imprisoned.
Your choice. But I didn't get the flu shot for many years. Last winter I caught the flu from one of my grandkids and was laid up for two months. This year I got the shot. No flu so far. The shot is nothing. In and out in a few minutes.
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