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Poll: 64% want Congress to restore ObamaCare subsidies even if Republicans win the Halbig case
Hotair ^ | 01/28/2015 | AllahPundit

Posted on 01/28/2015 2:04:31 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: hlmencken3

Mitch said they’d have one together in three weeks.


41 posted on 01/28/2015 3:25:58 PM PST by txhurl (RINOs: conservatives aren't electable yet they disguise themselves as conservatives to win.)
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To: txhurl

LOL

I’m going to call my bookie!


42 posted on 01/28/2015 3:26:57 PM PST by hlmencken3 (“I paid for an argument, but you’re just contradicting!”)
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To: hlmencken3

I’m just quotin.


43 posted on 01/28/2015 3:30:56 PM PST by txhurl (RINOs: conservatives aren't electable yet they disguise themselves as conservatives to win.)
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To: InterceptPoint

I don’t believe that Americans will understand the disaster of Buckwheat’s health care until the criminal IRS demands checks for thousands of dollars or they have to pay a $4,000 deductible.


44 posted on 01/28/2015 3:38:23 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Owen

If a federal law is written such that every person in the US is to receive a payment of $100 and the administrators withhold subsidies from some persons there would be a due process issue.

If a state law is written such that every person in that state is to receive a payment of $100 and the administrators withhold payment from some persons there would be a equal protection issue.

In either of these scenarios the process of law was not followed, was not applied equally.

Neither of these scenarios occur with PPACA subsidies. That federal law unambiguously specifies subsidies are available to those who purchase insurance through “an Exchange established by the State”


45 posted on 01/28/2015 3:48:40 PM PST by Ray76 (al Qaeda is in the Oval Office (and John Boehner is their craven servant))
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To: Ray76

Laws make distinctions between persons all the time, but they must be reasonable distinctions.

A law that distinguishes persons based on skin color is unreasonable. A law that distinguishes persons based on some ability is reasonable, for example not everyone may lawfully perform eye surgery.

But the law must be equally applied. An eye surgeon can not be prohibited from performing surgery simply because of his politics. Similarly, the IRS can not interfere with a tax-exempt organization simply because of their politics.


46 posted on 01/28/2015 4:05:54 PM PST by Ray76 (al Qaeda is in the Oval Office (and John Boehner is their craven servant))
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To: SeekAndFind

The Kaiser Family Foundation IS ObamaCare. I guess you have to expect these goofy, twisted results. This is BS.


47 posted on 01/28/2015 4:11:20 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When the hell do I get MY white privilege? I'm tired of busting my @$$ for a living.)
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To: SeekAndFind

BS


48 posted on 01/28/2015 6:12:37 PM PST by slouper (LWRC SPR 223)
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To: SeekAndFind

Poll methodology:
http://kff.org/report-section/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-january-2015-methodology/

“For the landline sample, respondents were selected by asking for the youngest adult male or female currently at home based on a random rotation. If no one of that gender was available, interviewers asked to speak with the youngest adult of the opposite gender. For the cell phone sample, interviews were conducted with the adult who answered the phone. “

The youngest? LOL!
Didn’t find any breakdown of respondents by age, race, etc.


49 posted on 01/28/2015 6:31:17 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: House Atreides
Folks, please remember that, in the Federal Exchange Only states, the subsidies are tightly “linked” to the Obamacare penalties. If the SC rules the subsidies aren’t covered by the law (as I expect) than the various tied in employee taxes and penalties also WILL NOT BE PART OF THE LAW.

The penalties would still exist in those states, but quite a few people on the exchanges would be able to claim a hardship exemption for lack of affordability. They would then be able to buy catastrophic insurance. Many of the people that are paying a penalty for not having insurance, will not have too. Take the case of Illinois. They have ~300K on exchanges and another ~600K or so that are eligible for subsidies but are going without. Somebody that makes too much for a subsidy would still have to pay the penalty if they went without coverage. I am no expert on it, but that is the way I read it..

If SC rules against federally run state exchanges I think it likely Boehner and the boys will rush in to save the day..

50 posted on 01/29/2015 6:04:43 AM PST by EVO X
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To: EVO X

Yes, that is correct. I should have been more specific since it is the EMPLORER mandate that would be eliminated (in the 36 “federal exchange” states) along with the subsidies if the SC rules for the plaintiffs.

And most (but likely not all) individual penalties would be eliminated in those states.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20141114162354-281632549-3-consequences-if-the-supreme-court-rules-against-obamacare


51 posted on 01/29/2015 6:18:25 AM PST by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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To: House Atreides

Thanks for the link. There are 2 employer mandates. The first is the over 50 FTE rule. That one is the $2K penalty per employee for not offering insurance. The second is the $3K penalty if an employee gets a better deal on the exchange. No exchange, no penalty. I think the first example would remain in effect.


52 posted on 01/29/2015 6:43:44 AM PST by EVO X
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To: SeekAndFind

Step one: Use the Commerce Clause to create an America-wide free market.

Step two: get government completely out of health care.

Step three: enjoy the proper allocation of a scarce resource.

Why is cosmetic surgery, corrective eye surgery and braces so cheap despite constant improvements in the technology?

Competition, baby, competition!

We need to start trusting markets again. They work.


53 posted on 01/29/2015 2:02:20 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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