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The Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun (Evil advocates seeking to define rights as a health detriment)
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2015/01/good_guy_with_a_gun_myth_g ^ | 1/27/2015 | By Evan DeFilippis and Devin Hughes

Posted on 01/27/2015 11:58:18 AM PST by longtermmemmory

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Tragically, a record number of Americans subscribe to some version of this mythology, with 63 percent (67 percent of men polled and 58 percent of women) believing that guns truly do make them safer. The public’s confidence in firearms, however, is woefully misguided: The evidence overwhelmingly shows that guns leave everybody less safe, including their owners.

... That is, in the absence of guns, would-be criminals are not switching to knives or some other weapons to carry out homicide. These results are supported by a host of previous studies that illustrate that guns increase the rate of homicides.

The evidence against firearm ownership becomes even stronger when suicides and accidents are included in the analysis—guns make both much more likely and more fatal. There can be nothing closer to a consensus in the gun debate than this point. Indeed, every single case-control study ever conducted in the United States has found that gun ownership is a strong risk factor for suicide, even after adjusting for aggregate-level measures of suicidality such as mental illness, alcoholism, poverty, and so on.

One might accept that firearms are dangerous and that they substantially elevate the risk of homicide, suicide, and fatal accidents, but still believe that policies regulating gun ownership are ineffective—criminals, after all, won’t follow them. However, another recent study from May of 2013 analyzed the impact of state firearm laws on firearm-related fatalities. It found that the most gun-restrictive states have significantly fewer firearm fatalities than the states with the least restrictive laws. The results are in line with previous academic studies tackling the same question.

... The costs of gun ownership unequivocally outweigh the benefits. ....

In light of the overwhelming evidence that guns are a public health threat,...

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; healthcare; leftist
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Note this is under "medical examiner". This article seems right out of the "second amendment hurts healthcare" meme. It is worth reading to see how politicians and the drive by media, ALL cable news off camera and on camera staffers, newspapers, congressional STAFFERS, and the effete elites think. It is waaaay beyond big lie. It is Orwellian "weakness is strength".

Read this as know the enemy. Useful idiot and stupid people will treat this as gospel (aka journalists and reporters)

They throw in all manner of red herrings to create a big lie news story. This article is damage control to convince NYC and DC mental midgets they are right to ridicule fly over country.

Evan DeFilippis writes on public health and gun violence at the Atlantic, Huffington Post, Boston Review, and ArmedWithReason. He manages the evaluation of poverty-reduction projects in Nairobi, Kenya.

1 posted on 01/27/2015 11:58:18 AM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: longtermmemmory
Tragically, a record number of Americans subscribe to some version of this mythology, with 63 percent (67 percent of men polled and 58 percent of women) believing that guns truly do make them safer.

I don't know about anyone else, but I just love reading stories like this in Slate. Gun control is one of the few areas where Conservatives are not only winning, but routing Liberals. So we see stories like this where some Lib Slate reporter weeps and wails about the tragedy of Americans believing that guns keep us safe. The writing careens from mocking disdain to weepy depression. The message is simply that Libs are losing and have no idea how to change that dynamic.

2 posted on 01/27/2015 12:02:41 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: longtermmemmory

From another thread, this is an excellent rebuttal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE


3 posted on 01/27/2015 12:03:56 PM PST by LOC1 (We need a new President.)
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That is, in the absence of guns, would-be criminals are not switching to knives or some other weapons to carry out homicide.

BS. Been to UK lately?

4 posted on 01/27/2015 12:05:13 PM PST by glock rocks (Whenever I find myself in a conundrum, I ask myself: What would Elvis do?)
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... The costs of gun ownership unequivocally outweigh the benefits. ....

Only if you assert a criminal has more right to stay alive than an innocent has to use deadly force in defense of their life.

There is no middle ground.

5 posted on 01/27/2015 12:07:02 PM PST by papertyger ("News" is what journalists want you to hear.)
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To: longtermmemmory

It’s no myth. Right now I am a good guy with a gun. Keep pushing though, keep pushing.


6 posted on 01/27/2015 12:07:06 PM PST by The Toll
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The costs of gun ownership unequivocally outweigh the benefits,

The problem is that they didn't consider the overall effects of gun ownership in their assessment of "unequivocal", including crime, and I'm not sure I believe their statistics on gun-related deaths (i.e., were they selective in their use of the stats?).

And, they didn't consider the fact that gun ownership is a Constitutional right.

7 posted on 01/27/2015 12:09:46 PM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
The message is simply that Libs are losing and have no idea how to change that dynamic.

Negative. The message here is their only recourse for changing the dynamic is "indoctrination."

8 posted on 01/27/2015 12:10:56 PM PST by papertyger ("News" is what journalists want you to hear.)
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that is the gist of the article. essentially “for the childrens, some civil rights must be eliminated by the government”

Note ALL their solutions are government dependent.


9 posted on 01/27/2015 12:11:53 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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were they selective in their use of the stats

For instance, the gun-related death of those in the progress of committing a crime is not a bad thing!

10 posted on 01/27/2015 12:13:12 PM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: longtermmemmory

The author is conciously lying and manipulating data to support his preconceived world view.


11 posted on 01/27/2015 12:14:11 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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what are alinsky’s rules for leftists.

first they ignore you,

then they ridicule you,

then they fight you,

then you win.

This author is not even active in US society.


12 posted on 01/27/2015 12:15:00 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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I'm not sure I believe their statistics on gun-related deaths (i.e., were they selective in their use of the stats?).

I'm sure their statistics are spot on; the problem is they don't differentiate between people who were intentionally shot by a "reasonable man" and those shot for all other reasons.

13 posted on 01/27/2015 12:16:21 PM PST by papertyger ("News" is what journalists want you to hear.)
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To: Vendome

fake but accurate.

(see dan rather, walter kronkite, rolling stone articles)

Abolishing the option of keeping government in check is more important than truth.


14 posted on 01/27/2015 12:17:45 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

BIG GOVERNMENT IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH


15 posted on 01/27/2015 12:19:48 PM PST by drypowder
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To: drypowder

the premise of this article is “the absence of big government will have you shot”...

big left loves you.


16 posted on 01/27/2015 12:27:40 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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The public’s confidence in firearms, however, is woefully misguided: The evidence overwhelmingly shows that guns leave everybody less safe, including their owners.

Because they have no respect for individual freedom or responsibility, they have no way of looking at a question except through statistics which cover a large group. They must always think of people as a collection, because they believe in the collective.

My gun makes me safer. I don't do stupid things with it. I don't leave it lying around loaded. I don't put it in my mouth and pull the trigger. I don't forget that it is loaded, because I always treat it like it is loaded. I follow the Four Rules.

This means the danger to me from my gun is much less than the national average, so all of these statistics are meaningless to my individual case.

17 posted on 01/27/2015 12:33:47 PM PST by Haiku Guy (Every driver with a "Ready For Hillary" bumper sticker had to scrape off a "Obama 12" bumper sticker)
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The progs know they are losing the war of the right to keep and bear arms, and are losing it badly. There are more gun owners EVERY DAY in this country, and EVERY DAY, gun owners purchase more guns and ammo.

As the Progs and Statists lose more and more battles, mark this: they will become increasingly hostile to the idea that ANYONE except the enforcers of the federal government should own arms. They will openly advocate for the disarmament of local police, and even of state police forces.

At the end, they they will use what power they retain to attempt to consummate their position, and therefore start a hot civil war, or they will fade into the twilight, mad as rabid dogs and twice as mean. Only time will tell which.

18 posted on 01/27/2015 12:35:19 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: longtermmemmory

This author is apparently unfamiliar with the research of John Lott, and reality. Any moron knows that a personal firearm makes you safer from criminals. The 40% who don’t believe it have been brainwashed by propaganda like this story.


19 posted on 01/27/2015 12:39:52 PM PST by ez (RIP America 1776-2014. Long live the oligarchy.)
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To: longtermmemmory

If you’re enough of a wacko to kill someone (i.e. spouse, ex-spouse, employer, etc.) then it stands to reason that you’ll use the most effect tool possible. What this article can’t say is that many, if not all, of those killed by guns would be killed by some other means.


20 posted on 01/27/2015 12:43:30 PM PST by Renkluaf
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