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NFL adds all-pro lawyer to inquiry into Patriots
BostonHerald.com ^ | Jan. 24, 2015 | Owen Boss

Posted on 01/23/2015 9:26:48 PM PST by Colofornian

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To: Kartographer

Obviously some of us fortunately had parents who didn’t buy it when as teenagers we offered the lame excuse “but everybody does it”. Never worked in my childhood home.

Seems a lot of Freepers have lived their lives with an view that rules are for suckers and it’s fine to disregard them if it helps you get ahead.

Very disappointing, but not surprising.


81 posted on 01/24/2015 8:43:16 AM PST by randita (Obama entrusted the transformation of the best healthcare system in the world to a scam artist.)
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To: gogeo

I was only referring to gas laws and an 8th grade science experiment. I’ve tried to avoid this controversy, but no one can really. But I have seen all the lawyer shows, so there would have to be proof of intent to deceive, chain of custody, etc. If Limbaugh talks about this next week, I’m turning off the radio. It all will make for a very interesting game, though. If the buy times have not been signed into contract, there may be a price increase. By the way, were the balls inflated by the officials and then handed out?


82 posted on 01/24/2015 8:51:22 AM PST by odawg
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To: odawg
I did get one thing from your post:

"As the Apostle Paul wrote, when you condemn someone for a particular behavior that you also engage in, you are condemning yourself."

I think a lot of post here justify or excusing cheating are from people who they themselves cheat and so are trying to justify their own actions in life as much as those of the Patriots.

Proverbs 11:1 “The Lord abhors dishonest scales, but accurate weights are his delight.”
83 posted on 01/24/2015 9:05:52 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Colofornian
(Oh...sure...and perhaps the football size is too "strigent" as well...Maybe a size smaller would not "hurt the game." Give not only the QBs more leeway, but the kickers, too...so that the Q's can add another dozen yards to their throwing prowess and the punters, too.

The NFL specifications say the footballs must be inflated to 12½ to 13½ pounds. Have you checked to see what the ball feels like if it is 10½ psi? Do you know how much temperature changes the psi?

How did the NFL decide that balls must be between 12½ to 13½ psi?

Maybe it does not matter a whole lot if the range were changed to 10½ to 13½ psi. Do you know?

Why take about other dimensions and sports when the subject is NFL specs for football inflation levels?

84 posted on 01/24/2015 9:41:46 AM PST by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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To: vette6387

That’s the idea. Golden calf. Integrity? Why, the NFL hasn’t had that in years. This is nothing new.


85 posted on 01/24/2015 9:43:22 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: FamiliarFace

“That’s the idea. Golden calf. Integrity? Why, the NFL hasn’t had that in years. This is nothing new.”

And it’s not limited to just the NFL! The NBA, Baseball, you name it, it’s corrupt because “the money folks have taken over long ago.” “Professional Sports” like politics is just a bunch of “trained monkeys” dancing to the “big money folks” organ grinder.


86 posted on 01/24/2015 9:50:12 AM PST by vette6387
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To: randita
Is your point that it doesn’t matter if you break the rules if it doesn’t appear to ultimately impact the outcome of the game?

Why would I care if someone broke the rules? I watch sports to be entertained. I couldn't care less if a team cheats to get an edge. It doesn't matter to me at all. I don't give a darn who wins. It's just entertainment. Next, you'll tell me professional wrestling is fixed.

87 posted on 01/24/2015 10:49:56 AM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Rome2000
Football sucks:)

No. It blows.

88 posted on 01/24/2015 12:48:25 PM PST by mc5cents
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To: Colofornian

Brady, being a vet quarterback, would have known the ball was a little bit on the squishy side just by it’s feel. I am not buying the I’m innocent BS.


89 posted on 01/24/2015 2:11:58 PM PST by Birdsbane ("Onward through the fog!" ... Oat Willie)
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To: Fresh Wind

Except, at the Belicheck press conference today he stated clearly that the balls WERE GIVEN TO THE REFS TO INFLATE and the refs were asked to inflate the balls to 12.5PSI (the minimum). So the Patriots could not have used hot air to inflate the balls, because the refs did all of the inflating. Granted, had they wanted to use hot air, they could haven used all of the hot air expelled by people who don’t know what they are talking about on this subject.

Oh, and for the record, I’m a Redskins fan. I dislike the Patriots. But I dislike supposed conservatives who are so stupid as to allow themselves to be led around by the nose by a media looking to tear down the successful even more...


90 posted on 01/24/2015 2:39:32 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Also, although I've heard it mentioned a little, there seems to be not much mention of where this is covered in the rule book. As I understand it, the thing the Patriots are accused of would fall under the category of: Ball Tampering.

The penalty for Ball Tampering?

$75,000 fine.

This whole thing is just hype drummed up by people who want to attract a lot of viewers to the Super Bowl, so they can cheer against "the bad guys".

It really is more and more like Pro Wrestling.

91 posted on 01/24/2015 2:43:53 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Malort, turning taste-buds into taste-foes for generations.)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

I posted my comment at a 11:25 this morning, and now you are implying I’m stupid for not knowing then what was going to be said in a press conference at about 2:30 this afternoon.

Sorry, my psychic powers aren’t what they used to be.


92 posted on 01/24/2015 3:24:42 PM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away)
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To: Colofornian

This whole thing is stupid. The Pats cheated and even your dog knows it. They should have their last victory vacated and send the Colts to the Superbowl.

The way things are running now, what kind of message does that send to kids? “Cheat and you’ll be OK, even when caught”? That’s appalling.

It’s been known for years that the Pats have been cheating and nothing has happened to them. What a joke.


93 posted on 01/24/2015 3:45:44 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Visualize whirled peas.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

The NFL doesn’t vacate victories. That’s an NCAA hobby, and it doesn’t seem to stop anybody either.


94 posted on 01/24/2015 3:49:38 PM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: Colofornian

This is getting stupid. The NFL is looking like morons. The referees can’t tell if a ball is properly inflated? Glad NASCAR racing is just around the corner.


95 posted on 01/24/2015 3:53:24 PM PST by McGruff (We have met the enemy and they are our own party.)
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To: Colofornian

So with properly inflated balls would the score have been 72-7?


96 posted on 01/24/2015 3:54:20 PM PST by mowowie (`)
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To: discostu

Yup....and the only coach in this years Superbowl who has had a national title vacated for cheating is not Belichick. For the record: I’ve said all along this was a minor offence & should be handled with a fine or loss of draft-pick IF they are found guilty. As of yet the NFL has produced nothing & after listening to Belichick today say he’s 100% sure the Pats did nothing it’s all on the NFL at this point.


97 posted on 01/24/2015 4:18:37 PM PST by LongWayHome
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To: olezip
The NFL specifications say the footballs must be inflated to 12½ to 13½ pounds. Have you checked to see what the ball feels like if it is 10½ psi? Do you know how much temperature changes the psi?

Hey, if you take fifteen percent of air out of a ball...in very wet conditions...and replicated that over a season of wetconditioned games, yes, receivers are going to catch more passes than higherinflated balls.

As for temperature, #1...it wasn't freezing on Pats sideline while being warm & balmy on Colts sideline...

#2...The weather was above freezing thruout the game...fifteen one degrees at gametime...and these footballs were exposed to direct air less than 2 hrs...

98 posted on 01/25/2015 8:34:20 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: MamaTexan
...weather conditions

The gambling industry should put the odds out as follows:

What are the odds that the temperature would significantly impact 11 Patriot balls, but somehow escapes impact on the 12th ball? And... What are the odds that the temperature would significantly impact 92 percent of the Patriots balls, but NOT the Colts balls?

99 posted on 01/25/2015 8:43:18 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: piytar
The gambling industry should put the odds out as follows:

What are the odds that the temperature would significantly impact 11 Patriot balls, but somehow escapes impact on the 12tth ball? And... What are the odds that the temperature would significantly impact 92 percent of the Patriots balls, but NOT the Colts balls?

100 posted on 01/25/2015 8:43:53 AM PST by Colofornian
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