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Genuinely Bad News About the F-35 and the A-10 (Chickenhawk, No. 17)
The Atlantic ^ | January 22, 2015 | James Fallows

Posted on 01/23/2015 1:19:39 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

"The moral is to the physical as three is to one," Napoleon said about the elements of military strength. Two signs that would make Napoleon worry.

First, the background. Two military airplanes are getting a lot of attention: the A-10 "Warthog"—"Honey Badger" would be a better name—a kind of flying tank that has been crucial in "close air support" missions from the first Gulf War onwards; and the F-35 "Lightning II," a still-in-development multi-purpose airplane that has been plagued by technical problems, production delays, and cost overruns.

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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Military contractors are no different from the likes of Solyndra, Goldman Sachs, or CGI (the Obamacare software company).

They are all seeking to make as much money as possible off the government and the US taxpayer. They will promote and push for that program which does.


41 posted on 01/23/2015 2:47:21 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Hulka

The unit cost of the platform has to figure into every mission profile. Would you jeopardize a very expensive high tech aircraft going into a high risk environment when a relatively inexpensive capable alternative was available?


42 posted on 01/23/2015 2:50:56 PM PST by Temujinshordes
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To: Kenny Bunk

I was worried about you until I read the end of your last sentence. I feel the same way.


43 posted on 01/23/2015 2:54:47 PM PST by mcshot (OMG We're going down!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The Air Force has never wanted the A10, because they hate the mission. Congress should take the A10 out of service with the Air Force...and give it to the Army. Let them fly their own close support as the Marines do.


44 posted on 01/23/2015 2:56:16 PM PST by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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To: SZonian
“and for all intents and purposes, ALL F15E sorties are CAS...”

And how do you come to that conclusion?

Deep strike is completely different than CAS.

A/A is completely different than CAS.

CAS is unique. Basically, CAS means the application of firepower under positive control in proximity to friendly forces.

45 posted on 01/23/2015 3:04:51 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Hulka

Hear! Hear!


46 posted on 01/23/2015 3:09:43 PM PST by Temujinshordes
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To: BwanaNdege

“The Air Force needs to turn the A-10s and their CAS role over to the Army and Marines. Then the Air Force can go play in their “wild, blue yonder” with their Mach-Gazillion fighters.”

Throwing the piglets out with the bath? What about the Hog Drivers? Don’t they deserve some respect? A vote? THEY love the mission and the jet. And most love their Air Force.

They understand the mission and risks and the rewards of CAS and have no interest in A/A.


47 posted on 01/23/2015 3:10:36 PM PST by Hulka
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To: PGR88
Not entirely true.

Military contractors are mostly former or retired military men that served and still have friends or family on the line. They will support a product with their whole heart if they believe in it. Sadly, senior executives of many of these major defense contractors are led by civilians that have not served and they worship the buck more than the mission and the men in harms way. So, you have a situation where the best guys work to develop the best kit sometimes end up with a product that isn't exactly the best available. . .and they know enough not to push too hard to ‘sell’ what they know is second or third ranked. Generally, civilian defense contractors have no such honor that stops them.

48 posted on 01/23/2015 3:17:28 PM PST by Hulka
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To: Temujinshordes
A $9Ml A-10 doing CAS. . .or a $50M F-15E aircraft doing CAS. . .same-same.

Seriously, I know what you saying and respect you for that, and what you say sounds reasonable from an accountants point of view, but fighter pilots have fangs, regardless of the jet they fly, and when someone is calling for immediate/emergency CAS, every fighter pilot wants to sink their fangs into the enemy.

49 posted on 01/23/2015 3:21:30 PM PST by Hulka
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To: SZonian

Answering a question from an elected member of Congress should not be ‘treason’. It should be called ‘duty’.


50 posted on 01/23/2015 3:28:26 PM PST by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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To: Pollster1; All
unfortunately, that would take bravery, integrity and broad
knowledge of real combat (not Congre$$ional @$-ki$$ing) to
bring useful/tried aircraft back into production..something not
apparent in negotiations
buy them for troops, not corrupt Congressional staffers.

51 posted on 01/23/2015 3:41:25 PM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Bathhouse" E'Bola/0'Boehmer/0'McConnell; all STINK and their best friends are flies. d8^)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I love hearing these comments from you “experts”.
How many of you have ever flown a fighter?

Did it ever occur to any of you that we might need both?


52 posted on 01/23/2015 3:59:28 PM PST by oldbill
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To: Hulka
We understand the JSF is supposed to be a multi-mission jet, too include CAS (all jets can fly CAS, BTW).

Nope, that's just not true; and here's the counterexample:

53 posted on 01/23/2015 3:59:36 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Bill Russell; All
exactly..this A-10 fight is a turf war
& the USAF got it's panties in a bunch.

give the CAS responsibility and $$$$ to the Army/Marines
USAF gets everything above (terrestrial) in the air/space.


54 posted on 01/23/2015 4:03:45 PM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Bathhouse" E'Bola/0'Boehmer/0'McConnell; all STINK and their best friends are flies. d8^)
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To: OneWingedShark; All
Ahhh..the A-12 (w/respect).

55 posted on 01/23/2015 4:10:48 PM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Bathhouse" E'Bola/0'Boehmer/0'McConnell; all STINK and their best friends are flies. d8^)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

A 10 Warthog- effective, well armored and well armed. Has a 30mm Gatling gun with depleted uranium projectiles that “self explode” on impact. Terrifies the savage Muslims when it makes a turn straight for them and opens up. Rightly called the “Thunderbolt 2.” Great for ground troop close air support. Has a proven track record. Well regarded for proven performance by ground forces.
The USA can almost buy 5 A 10’s for every F 35.

F 35 claim to fame...costs about 90 Million dollars each.


56 posted on 01/23/2015 4:17:50 PM PST by Sasparilla (Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum)
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To: skinkinthegrass

You mean the SR-71?


57 posted on 01/23/2015 4:18:32 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark; All
Yeah..and it's fighter version, the A-12..which
would have flown w/the B-57 Hustler.

58 posted on 01/23/2015 4:22:39 PM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Bathhouse" E'Bola/0'Boehmer/0'McConnell; all STINK and their best friends are flies. d8^)
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To: skinkinthegrass
Yeah..and it's fighter version, the A-12..which would have flown w/the B-57 Hustler.

Hm, I was unaware of any fighter variant.

59 posted on 01/23/2015 4:24:37 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark; skinkinthegrass

YF-12A ?


60 posted on 01/23/2015 4:29:33 PM PST by moose07 (The Camels have reached the parking lot. Shields up!)
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