Posted on 01/21/2015 3:43:04 PM PST by MarchonDC09122009
No, you tried weasling your way out of it just as you are now. You can’t correct truth with more lie. That site and it’s management are on record as being affiliated with LaRaza. Your assertions at the time that the SD fence failed were/are a farce on their face.
Your post came from a LaRaza Linked site. It was pure propaganda based on complete bullshit that a 2 year old could see through, much less anyone paying attention. You are indeed anti fence.
If the truth bothers you, try not acting like a liberal. Then you’ll be on the conservative side of the debate instead of the Rick Perry side of the debate.
There is nothing they won’t cave on.
All of these damned country club Republicans stabbing us in the back like this. I am frankly willing to join with the occupy Commies raise their taxes on all of them and their lib gentry partners in crime. If the border is not secured we raise their taxes every year. Oh, I forgot we would have to have legislators to do that. That is something we only have in name only on our side.
Does one really need be a member of an anti-American group to be a supporter?
The SD fence works as close to perfection as any govt. project EVER has. Anyone who denies this is either ignorant, or an outright liar!
BT, it appears that you qualify for the latter.
Boredom mostly. It’s not like anyone cares enough to actually blast their asses back to DU where they belong. Might as well enjoy making them look stupid.
The No Border Wall organization was founded by McAllen, Texas resident Scott Nicol along with various other South Texas landowners whose properties are affected by the construction of border fencing. They are not formally associated with La Raza. No Border Wall is totally opposed to border fencing. I am not. I support fencing where it makes sense strategically and economically.
Your post came from a LaRaza Linked site. It was pure propaganda based on complete bullshit(...)
No, the data was not propaganda. The data was cited directly from the U.S. Border Patrol, the Department of Homeland Security, the Congressional Research Service, and the Bush Administration.
Here's my original post.
Then you’ll be on the conservative side of the debate instead of the Rick Perry side of the debate.
I am on the most conservative side of the debate. I reject the idea of wasting tens of billions more dollars of taxpayer money on ineffective fencing for the sake of a political symbol at the expense of common sense, property rights, and agricultural, environmental, and economic considerations and support the idea of strategic fencing, large numbers of boots on the ground, and effective use of surveillance and technology. I want a secure border not an insecure barrier that merely slows down the disease-ridden bloodsuckers and terrorists.
Your use of Alinsky Rules 5 & 12 is telling. You ignore the data so you can focus on the target. Keep up the good work, comrade.
You can dance all you like. They are joined at the hip, you support a LaRaza backed position, work against an actual fence and posted propaganda that has multiply been shown to be a lie.
PS, you had more than 1 post. that debate went on for 3 days.
The U.S. Border Patrol and Congressional Research Service use the number of illegal alien apprehensions as their primary mechanism for measuring the flow of illegal aliens across the border and for establishing an effectiveness rating. 1
Let's examine the data.
All of the double pedestrian fencing and 75% of triple fencing in the San Diego sector was complete in 2005.2 So let's look directly at the Border Patrol apprehension data from 2005 to 20123, when the current surge of illegals began due to Obama's announcement of no deportation for minors and others.
| Year | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Big Bend | 10,536 | 7,520 | 5,536 | 5,391 | 6,360 | 5,288 | 4,036 | 3,964 |
| Del Rio | 68,506 | 42,636 | 22,920 | 20,761 | 17,082 | 14,694 | 16,144 | 21,720 |
| El Centro | 55,722 | 61,465 | 55,883 | 40,961 | 33,521 | 32,562 | 30,191 | 23,916 |
| El Paso | 122,679 | 122,256 | 75,464 | 30,312 | 14,999 | 12,251 | 10,345 | 9,678 |
| Laredo | 75,346 | 74,840 | 56,714 | 43,658 | 40,569 | 35,287 | 36,053 | 44,872 |
| Rio Grande Valley | 134,136 | 110,528 | 73,430 | 75,473 | 60,989 | 59,766 | 59,243 | 97,762 |
| San Diego | 126,904 | 142,104 | 152,460 | 162,390 | 118,721 | 68,565 | 42,447 | 28,461 |
| Tucson | 439,079 | 392,074 | 378,239 | 317,696 | 241,673 | 212,202 | 123,285 | 120,000 |
| Yuma | 138,438 | 118,549 | 37,992 | 8,363 | 6,951 | 7,116 | 5,833 | 6,500 |
As you can see, San Diego's apprehensions went up not down from 2005 to 2009. Nearly every other sector's apprehensions - the ones without double fencing, or any fencing at all - went down.
From 2009 to 2011, San Diego's apprehensions went down significantly. (BTW, the 90-95% effectiveness rate that many cite for the San Diego sector comes from USBP fiscal year 2011.) So did nearly every other sector's apprehensions. Remember, those sectors don't have double fencing. Some have no fencing. So the double and triple fence in San Diego had been there for four years. Did the fence suddenly become a substantial deterrent?
What happened in 2009 that caused such a drop in apprehensions, not just in San Diego, but all across the southern border? Well, from 2005 to 2009, we increased the number of Border Patrol agents from 11, 264 to 20,119, of whom 17,399 are deployed to the southern border and we increased technological detection and enforcement capabilities, such as cameras, radar, sensors, and towers.4 (i.e. smart fencing) In addition to significantly increased staff and technology, the economic recession began in 2008, which, according to the U.S. Border Patrol and Congressional Research Service, directly contributed to a decreased flow of illegals seeking work and opportunity in the U.S.
Then, in 2012 and continuing today, apprehensions jumped all across the southern border when Obama announced he wouldn't bother with deporting minors.
All that said, fencing makes good sense in a significant portion of the San Diego sector. It does not, however, make much sense in many other border sectors. Using the San Diego sector as a model for all of the 2000 mile border is illogical at best and disastrous at worst.
The only one dancing is you, comrade. Carry on.
My hart bleeds Lib. you got caught posting propaganda and multiply disproven figures straight from a LaRaza linked website.
Had I acted like an open leftist as you did, I’d try projecting too. If I tried telling people that the SD fence failed when the guy there and running it called it a great success, I’d try dancing around the issue to.
You can cherry pick whatever numbers you want to. You can lie and post all the propaganda you want to. It’s not like anyone ever stops you. But you can’t hide your own actions. And they, clearly, are of the left.
Yep. The Republicrat senate and congress have not done much so far that Pelosi, Reid and company would not have done pretty much the same.
I’m pretty sure an army of drones could spot them coming and flag them for pick up in time to be caught on US territory. That’s the breach detection aspect. Then another army of helicopters could provide the response and the agents inside could apprehend and arrest them until they could be carted away for processing, detention, and deportation as necessary. If that process is carried out successfully a few hundred or thousand times, word would get back to those trying to cross and provide the deterrent.
Air intrusion detection by drone or helicopter is only one small part of the border solution.
Double fencing on each side border patrol road is a very good place to start where ever physical border barrier is appropriate.
If we look at this as a pest problem, the most effective deterrent is to eliminate the reward from illegally immigrating to the USA.
Amnesty, All health, welfare, education, and privileges afforded citizens (driver license, voting rights) Must be eliminated in order to make immigration here, unattractive.
Just like with household pests like ants - keeping a kitchen very clean (devoid of any available food) greatly reduces the incentive for entry and habitation.
Dems & Rinos dilberately want continued border crisis in order to forever lower american standard of living / culture, and to gradually facilitate North-Central-South American super state. Absolute treason.
If a border fence isn’t effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?
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