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Learning to Love Market Chaos --Investment & Finance Thread Jan. 18
Weekly investment & finance thread ^ | Jan. 18, 2015 | Freeper Investors

Posted on 01/18/2015 10:51:35 AM PST by expat_panama

       
   
 

 

 

   

 

The main reason we try to predict markets is so afterward we can gloat saying we knew it all along.  Easy-peasy -- all we do is predict doom'n'gloom and eventually asset prices will sag.  Sure, most of the time prices go up, things grow and wealth is created, but the only time folks cry WHY!!?? is during the rough times.

 

Then again, the other reason we figure out expected market trends is so we can make money.  That's not that hard either because over time most investments do better than say, cramming bux in a mattress (first graph left).  Then we get to the fact that not all types of investments are created equal, and various types of investments' eventual purchasing powers behave differently.   My favorite's stocks, though there have been time periods when some of us have done even better w/ precious metals.  Note that real estate, collectables, etc., are not being mentioned here because of the constraints of I don't want to.

 

Long term over-the-decades is all well and good, but hey we also would like to see some good happening say, day by day or at least month by month.  There's the rub; the past couple months have been crazy (graph right) what w/ tanking oil and sideways roller-coasters for everything else.  I mean, usually when we spend a bit of time going over index charts we get patterns we can work with.  Take IBD's market calls. 

Please.

Years of research enabled them to correctly call the nifty run-up we all enjoyed last November (second graph left).  That was then and for the past month all those formally dependable signals have suddenly gone into mid-life crisis. 

Rule Number One though is to accept things as they are, and if we got chaos then we got chaos.  Everyone's got their own favorite way of muddling through times like these; my personal favorite calls back to the old oriental counsel going something like if you're going to be savagely attacked and beaten and there's nothing you can do about it you may as well just relax and enjoy it. 

 

iow, there's a lot to be said for the "don't just do something, stand there" approach --AKA wait and see and be good w/ it.

 

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This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here and tomorrow morning we'll go on with our--

 

 

Open invitation continues always for idea-input for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.   Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket, economy.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economy; financial; stockmarket; wallstreet
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To: abb

MOAR Q€


61 posted on 01/22/2015 12:57:47 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: abb

Where do we get real-time demand data?Rigs are falling off a cliff (probably only 1/3 of the way through the decline though) so new production will grind to a halt but existing production is still growing.


62 posted on 01/22/2015 12:59:29 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

U.S. Weekly Product Supplied
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_cons_wpsup_k_w.htm

Note the link above includes Natural Gas Liquids and like in the total. The link below breaks it out, but is monthly and farther back in time. The row “ Finished Petroleum Products” is what mostly comes out of the refineries.

Product Supplied
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_cons_psup_dc_nus_mbblpd_m.htm


63 posted on 01/22/2015 1:03:48 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
“What’s your number? Everybody has a number, a set amount of money that once they hit, they’ll leave the game and just go play golf for the rest of their life. What’s yours?”
64 posted on 01/22/2015 2:16:55 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: 1010RD; A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ..
Good morning!!  It's all in the headlines--

To me it's like 'more-I-know-less-I-understand' mode, though our futures traders have determined that today is stocks up 0.13% and metals down 0.75%.  Someone please tell me when I can come out from hiding under my bed...

65 posted on 01/23/2015 4:07:27 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: abb

1 bajillion dollars...


66 posted on 01/23/2015 4:48:35 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: expat_panama
EURUSD:


67 posted on 01/23/2015 4:49:45 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

huh, looks just like oil. Coincidence?


68 posted on 01/23/2015 6:29:43 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Wyatt's Torch; abb
1 bajillion dollars...

Not all of us are that tech-savy; I had to look that one up:


69 posted on 01/23/2015 6:44:53 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama; Wyatt's Torch

From the movie “Charlie Varrick”

Walter Matthau’s Varrick is trying to fence off some hot money to a pawnbroker “Tom” played by Tom Tully.

Tom: “How much money we talkin’ about?”
Varrick: “A lot.”
Tom: “A whole lot?”
Varrick: “A whole lot.”


70 posted on 01/23/2015 8:12:41 AM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: expat_panama

I only have 500 Googobsah so I’m a little short of my full time golf playing days :-)


71 posted on 01/23/2015 8:14:50 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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