Posted on 01/17/2015 2:31:16 PM PST by BigReb555
Yep ... same her.
“Yes, one could. One could also argue that Obama is God.”
The latter argument would be weaker.
A related argument could be that Lee today would 100% support Obama out of loyalty.
Dear Dear Dear - having a bad day? Just a bit of information for you since you seem to be a product of a public school education, such as it is: if and when you debate someone, when you revert to nonsensical hysterics and don’t debate the question at hand ..... you’re a looser. Chill, have a vodka something or other ....
Sherman was defending America. What is the problem killing traitors while defending the nation?
A related argument (stronger) is that Lee would support me, because my socks are made of a poly blend.
On May 29, 1865, President Andrew Johnson issued a Proclamation of Amnesty and Pardon to persons who had participated in the rebellion against the United States. There were fourteen excepted classes, though, and members of those classes had to make special application to the President.
Robert E. Lee sent an application to Grant and wrote to President Johnson on June 13, 1865:
“Being excluded from the provisions of amnesty & pardon contained in the proclamation of the 29th; I hereby apply for the benefits, & full restoration of all rights & privileges extended to those included in its terms. I graduated at the Mil. Academy at West Point in June 1829. Resigned from the U.S. Army April ‘61. Was a General in the Confederate Army, & included in the surrender of the Army of N. Va. 9 April ‘65.”
On October 2, 1865, the same day that Lee was inaugurated as president of Washington College in Lexington, Virginia, he signed his Amnesty Oath, thereby complying fully with the provision of Johnson’s proclamation. But Lee was not pardoned, nor was his citizenship restored. And the fact that he had submitted an amnesty oath at all was soon lost to history.
More than a hundred years later, in 1970, an archivist at the National Archives discovered Lee’s Amnesty Oath among State Department records. Apparently Secretary of State William H. Seward had given Lee’s application to a friend as a souvenir, and the State Department had pigeonholed the oath.
In 1975, Lee’s full rights of citizenship were posthumously restored by a joint congressional resolution effective June 13, 1865.
At the August 5, 1975, signing ceremony, President Gerald R. Ford acknowledged the discovery of Lee’s Oath of Allegiance in the National Archives and remarked: “General Lee’s character has been an example to succeeding generations, making the restoration of his citizenship an event in which every American can take pride.”
He was opposed to both slavery and secession. He was stationed in Texas when the state seceded to join the Confederacy. Most of the troops there joined the Southern cause, but Lee left immediately for Washington, D.C.
The decision to take command of the Confederate army was very difficult for him, but came down to state sovereignty and family heritage. He had family on both sides of the cause.
One small point. Modern Liberals’ forebears and their political home, the Democratic Party, were entirely for slavery, Segregation, Jim Crow, and created & used the services of an archetypal terrorist organization which went by the name of the Ku Klux Klan. Today they seem to have no issue at all with the one remaining bastion and support of human slavery, the religion of Islam. All this is why my patience with these sock cuckers’ frequent loud and public accusations of racism against folks like me is gone. And if one of them has the temerity to do it to my face they had better have a decent dental plan. Because their teeth shall fly.
How many pairs of ballet shoes do you have? :-)
More like: How many hiking boots do I have? :)
Okay, but when it comes down to your oath, what do you choose? Your honor or ?????
“A related argument (stronger) is that Lee would support me, because my socks are made of a poly blend.”
This new knowledge fascinates me.
for starters, to have been in Grant’s position, he would have had to remain loyal to the United States. He could have been in that position, but for one minor fact. U.S. Grand remained loyal to the United States. Lee chose to devote his loyalty to the State of Virginia. Lee lost.
He offered his sword up in surrender to General Grant at Appomattox. Lee lost, get over it.
Stick to dancing. Civil War credibility is not working for you. :-)
I’m not surprised.
At the time of the Civil War, one's state carried a lot of weight. There was still a belief among many that the USA was a confederation of separate soverign stares. It was not unusual to have more loyalty to one's state over the Federal government. I think I remember reading somewhere that Jefferson's greatest source of pride was having been President of...Virginia. Lee's loyalty to Virginia is something that people simply cannot grasp now that the Fderal government grabs every bit of sovereignty it can.
The Cornerstone Speech, also known as the Cornerstone Address, was delivered extemporaneously by Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens at the Athenaeum in Savannah, Georgia on March 21, 1861.
The speech explained what the fundamental differences were between the constitutions of the Confederacy and that of the United States, laid out the Confederate causes for the American Civil War, and defended slavery. The Cornerstone Speech became so known for Stephens’ asserting:
“Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.”
http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1861stephens.asp
Very well stated. Several generations of American statesmen, many of them slave owners, recognized the “peculiar” institution as America’s original sin. That sin was repented in an ocean of blood. One hundred and fifty years after the conclusion of that war, in which my great grandfather fought, we should be able to honor every American on both sides.
I can see that. I have no problem with that but the fact remains that Lee took an oath .....
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