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Estimated social cost of climate change not accurate, Stanford scientists say
Stanford University News ^ | January 12, 2015 | BY KER THAN

Posted on 01/12/2015 2:45:59 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

The economic damage caused by a ton of carbon dioxide emissions – often referred to as the "social cost" of carbon – could actually be six times higher than the value that the United States now uses to guide current energy regulations, and possibly future mitigation policies, Stanford scientists say.

A recent U.S. government study concluded, based on the results of three widely used economic impact models, that an additional ton of carbon dioxide emitted in 2015 would cause $37 worth of economic damages. These damages are expected to take various forms, including decreased agricultural yields, harm to human health and lower worker productivity, all related to climate change.

But according to a new study, published online this week in the journal Nature Climate Change, the actual cost could be much higher. "We estimate that the social cost of carbon is not $37 per ton, as previously estimated, but $220 per ton," said study coauthor Frances Moore, a PhD candidate in the Emmett Interdisciplinary Program in Environment and Resources in Stanford's School of Earth Sciences.

Based on the findings, countries may want to increase their efforts to curb greenhouse gas emissions, said study co-author Delavane Diaz, a PhD candidate in the Department of Management Science and Engineering at Stanford's School of Engineering. "If the social cost of carbon is higher, many more mitigation measures will pass a cost-benefit analysis," Diaz said. "Because carbon emissions are so harmful to society, even costly means of reducing emissions would be worthwhile."

For their study, Moore and Diaz modified a well-known computer model for calculating the economic impacts of climate change, known as an integrated assessment model, or IAM. Their alternative formulation incorporated recent empirical findings suggesting that climate change could substantially slow economic growth rates, particularly in poor countries.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.stanford.edu ...


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KEYWORDS: cargocultscience; climatechangefraud; globalwarming; hoax; marxism; socialism
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1 posted on 01/12/2015 2:46:00 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer
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This guy is REALLY trying for a new grant!


2 posted on 01/12/2015 2:48:57 PM PST by Rio (Proud resident of the State of Jefferson)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Horse hockey


3 posted on 01/12/2015 2:52:44 PM PST by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
What about the social benefits?

What about location? Doing CO2 in the Rat cities is definitely not beneficial.

4 posted on 01/12/2015 2:54:07 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What does Prof. Gruber say?


5 posted on 01/12/2015 2:54:53 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What pikers. If they’re just going to tweak the models to come up with a new made-up number to replace the old made-up number, why not go for broke? My model says it’s ten times what theirs does — $2200 per ton. So there! Prove me wrong.


6 posted on 01/12/2015 2:55:28 PM PST by Bob (Violence in islam? That's not a bug; it's a feature.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“including decreased agricultural yields, “

Bull Shiite! It would increase yields!


7 posted on 01/12/2015 2:55:40 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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8 posted on 01/12/2015 2:56:18 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Rio
This guy is REALLY trying for a new grant!

More likely he is trying for a job.

He is a PhD candidate. Once he has his doctorate he will be just another PhD out there looking for a job in an over loaded field.

However if he has name recognition he has a better chance.

9 posted on 01/12/2015 2:57:08 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

How much money should be spent on a hoax?

In the next few years, it will be global cooling, and the same nutcases that support global warming will be demanding public funds for research.

They will just invert the hockey stick and claim it is “settled science”.

I am all for spending not a dime on this nonsense.


10 posted on 01/12/2015 2:57:37 PM PST by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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>> How much money should be spent on a hoax? <<

Max the credit card as long as the DNC gets its cut.


11 posted on 01/12/2015 3:00:33 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Their model is shockingly bad, even if one believes in man-made global warming. They assume stupidity and no benefits - that despite climate change farmers will accept lower yields and will not change anything they do, and that there are no economic benefits as the climate warms.


12 posted on 01/12/2015 3:01:08 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
These scientists got a government grant to pay for this bogus study to further fool the American people. global warming is a hoax. all these scientists and media people should be sued for all the money they conned out of the tax payer to do these fake studies.
13 posted on 01/12/2015 3:01:11 PM PST by Democrat_media (The media is the problem. reporters are just democrat political activists posing as reporters)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Uh huh.

And Stanford produced Paul Ehrlich and his Population Bomb hysteria which has been shown by history to be total NONSENSE.

Stanford ain’t the place people think it is.


14 posted on 01/12/2015 3:02:33 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Better shut down those ethanol plants. I believe a small-to-medium one makes around 200,000 tons of CO2 per year.


15 posted on 01/12/2015 3:02:41 PM PST by hlmencken3 (“I paid for an argument, but you’re just contradicting!”)
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modified a well-known computer model

That's the great thing about software...one can write code to generate any outcome that they might desire...I doubt that any of their peers will be taking a rigorous approach to evaluating the software that churned out these, findings

16 posted on 01/12/2015 3:06:44 PM PST by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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Don’t shut all of them down—there’s always a market for liquor—just re-tool for different crops.


17 posted on 01/12/2015 3:06:56 PM PST by __rvx86 (A non-trivial fear: Government of my peers.)
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To: Rio
"If the social cost of carbon is higher, many more mitigation measures will pass a cost-benefit analysis," Diaz said. "Because carbon emissions are so harmful to society, even costly means of reducing emissions would be worthwhile."

Start with the conclusion you desire, then develop a theory that supports it.

18 posted on 01/12/2015 3:07:09 PM PST by D Rider
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
No smoking hot spot

1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.

Each possible cause of global warming has a different pattern of where in the planet the warming occurs first and the most. The signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmosphere for decades using radiosondes: weather balloons with thermometers that radio back the temperature as the balloon ascends through the atmosphere. They show no hot spot. Whatsoever.

If there is no hot spot then an increased greenhouse effect is not the cause of global warming. So we know for sure that carbon emissions are not a significant cause of the global warming. If we had found the greenhouse signature then I would be an alarmist again.


19 posted on 01/12/2015 3:07:29 PM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The economic damage caused by a ton of carbon dioxide emissions – often referred to as the "social cost" of carbon – could actually be six times higher than the value that the United States now uses

The "damage" is just as likely to be a benefit.

20 posted on 01/12/2015 3:08:24 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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