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Pressure Grows for Marines to Lower Standards for Women
freebeacon ^ | October 28, 2014 | Aaron MacLean

Posted on 01/09/2015 3:03:30 PM PST by Chode

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To: Chainmail
yup, the job of the Marines is to kill people and break things, yeast infections not required
61 posted on 01/09/2015 8:48:41 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: armydawg505
100%, prolly one of those don't ask don't tell types
62 posted on 01/09/2015 8:53:54 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: xzins
their unstated goal
63 posted on 01/09/2015 8:55:16 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: LucyT
i believe women have a place in the military, just not combat
64 posted on 01/09/2015 8:56:36 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

Agree.


65 posted on 01/09/2015 9:13:11 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Col Freeper

On 20 November 1943, during the horrific fighting on Betio atoll during the battle of Tarawa, two Japanese tanks mounted a counterattack against the fragile Marine toehold on Red Beach 3. The Marines were huddled there at the base of a seawall in the face of withering fire from Admiral Keiji Shibasaki’s fanatical Japanese Naval Landing Force defenders who were slaughtering hundreds of their 2nd Marine Division comrades in Betio Lagoon during 76 hours of some of the most savage fighting in the history not only of the Marines, but the US armed forces.

Marine anti-tank gun crews were trying to figure out how to get their 912 lb 37MM M3 antitank guns over the 7 foot plus seawall. The battery commander ordered his 5 man crews to LIFT them over. Being Marines who always obeyed even seemingly impossible orders, they did EXACTLY that and promptly knocked out the tanks. They then engaged several enemy bunkers whose dual purpose guns were repeatedly knocking out the approaching landing craft and put them out of action. Finally they routed a local counter attack of 200 or so Japanese against the south shore of Red Beach 3 with canister shot, all of this at a critical and precarious point in the landing.
Whats that about upper body strength being not as important
in modern warfare anymore and that women are just as likely to be able to do the job of combat infantry?

I mean no disrespect to the female perssonnel of the US Armed Forces who have served and ARE serving their nation honorably and well. I respect them as fellow vets and comrades in arms. Policy decisions are above their level for the most part.

But as a matter of POLICY, I think that women should be excluded from the armed forces for the most part, with a few exceptions and COMPLETELY from combat and most combat support roles, particularly when the armed forces are a small percentage of the total population, as is the case now. The use of significant numbers of women should be reserved for large scale mobilization as was the case in WWII. The population base is more than twice as large now as then and there would be no problem securing a sufficient number of qualified men with appropriate incentives for such a relatively small armed forces.

The advantages for the armed forces, particularly the Army would be greater flexibility as to how personnel can be deployed in combat emergencies and other contingincies and a lesser logistical strain as involves clothing, barracks and housing, and innumerable other considerations that are exclusive to the maintenence of large numbers of women. I think morale and discipline would also be improved as well.
The courts have repeatedly ruled that the armed forces are exempted from many of the equal opportunity requirements of the civillian world, and for the very good and sufficient requirements that are unique to the armed forces. This contretemps is being propelled largely by the cultural marxist wing of gender equity feminism who wish for the placement of a leftist Chairwoman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The resultant detriment of the ability of the armed forces to fight plays no consideration in their calculus, other than as an peripheral side benefit.

I know that women have played a vital role during guerrilla, partisan warfare and sabatoge/espionage activity. But to deliberately employ them in ground combat units whose primary task is to close with, engage and destroy similar enemy units is the height of lunacy and madness given the effort required to identify the relative few who could qualify even if we ignore the potential detriments to morale and discipline.

This is sheer and utter madness akin to allowing open homosexuals to serve in the armed forces.


66 posted on 01/09/2015 10:04:41 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Chode

Yes it finally happened! A female, a very burly sort, passed all tests and graduated to the applause and wild cheers of the onlooking media.

Unfortunately, some weeks later when she got her deployment orders to a war zone, she was pregnant and had to decline ... she was reassigned to a desk job in the Pentagon, where she will continue to lead from behind.


67 posted on 01/10/2015 6:14:21 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: bert
It's only drivel when it isn't true.

Who had to survive in his place?

68 posted on 01/10/2015 8:10:28 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: PIF
lead from behind, hummm... where have i heard that before???
69 posted on 01/10/2015 10:16:43 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: DMZFrank
Thank you, that was an excellent story of Men overcoming all obstacles and prepared to give all.

There are obviously Women who wish to serve their country and I salute them for that desire.

I have two daughters and have always encouraged them in everything they tried to accomplish.

But I would never encourage them to achieve their goals through any "affirmative action" or "wavered requirements" path.

We are all smart enough to know that any such "achievement" would be tainted, not honorable, and thus not worth having.

70 posted on 01/10/2015 10:49:08 AM PST by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: Chode

You know, I don’t fly anymore because of an eyesight issue. Nothing would make me happier than to get back in the left seat. I don’t petition the FAA to lower standards for a first class medical for obvious reasons.

If they can’t handle the best of the armed services, there is always something else to do.


71 posted on 01/10/2015 11:15:07 AM PST by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: jughandle
they put self before all else...
72 posted on 01/10/2015 11:17:51 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

...and risk everyone else in the process!


73 posted on 01/10/2015 11:26:26 AM PST by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: Chode

That may well be the best first comment I have ever seen. Especially appropriate for these morons who WILL get that round peg into the square hole; by any means necessary, including wrecking the whole thing.


74 posted on 01/10/2015 11:34:02 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o
i can only imagine what your Son thinks...
75 posted on 01/10/2015 12:06:08 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

I don’t believe a woman will ever pass a CET. They’re not designed to do it. They don’t have the muscle mass to do it. This must be the end of the line for feminist fantasies.

The FBI, local fire departments, sanitation departments, etc. have all lowered the standards to let women in. Lower standards just leads to lower standards.


76 posted on 01/10/2015 1:40:38 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Travis McGee

What’s scarier is that reality means the rear echelon is completely political and there because of their gender or SSA. What does that do to combat effectiveness?


77 posted on 01/10/2015 1:43:22 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DuncanWaring

Let’s put on wombs on the frontlines = certain extinction.


78 posted on 01/10/2015 1:44:17 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: ansel12

Spot on. Men are the enemy, except when you’re carrying my load.


79 posted on 01/10/2015 1:45:30 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD
i hope it's the end, but i'm afraid it's only the end of round one
80 posted on 01/10/2015 1:46:05 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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