Posted on 01/08/2015 10:18:29 AM PST by Ebenezer
Untrue. The reconquista crowd has discussed leaving for decades, and would like the southwestern United States to break away from the rest of the U.S. and become a separate Latin American country. Nobody refers to reconquista hispanics as "neo-confederates".
Rather, the term is specifically applied to people who continue to whine about the lost confederate cause from 1865, like yourself.
“Whine” ?
Should states have the freedom to leave the US?
What states CANNOT do is unilaterally decide to leave on their own because they want to protect slavery, seize federal government property, open fire on federal military installions, create rival foreign governments in states that HAVEN'T left the union and are still part of the United States (Kentucky, Missouri), and engineer coups to overthrow duly elected state governments who don't support slavery and won't pledge alliance to the Confederate "cause" after their state secedes (Sam Houston in Texas)
If states engage in those actions (like if Hawaii decided to secede tomorrow so they could enslave all registered Republicans in their state, then began bombing Pearl Harbor and killing American military personal), the rest of the country has every right to put down their immortal and criminal actions.
People who support southern states going to war to protect their human "property", and deny the motivation was to protect slavery, are called Neo-Confederates. End of story.
Agreed on nearly all this. That’s an excellent and thorough reply, thanks.
But I’m hearing that “neo-confederate” pejorative term spoken about anyone who wants to give states the legitimate freedom to leave peacefully. Sorry, I admit I can’t give examples, but will watch.
That’s because the example you gave (”If you actually try to leave, the president will invade and decimate your economy for decades.”) appear to be a reference to the civil war, with you whining about the southern states getting their butts kicked and they decided to start their own pro-slavery nation and attack Ft Sumter.
If you weren’t whining about the pro-slavery confederates getting slapped down, I apologize.
As I said, I’d be all for getting rid of Hawaii, and probably most of New England too (convince them to leave and join Canada). Let ‘em go!
Could call it whining :-)
The “neo-Confederate” ad hominen attack and the president-directed armed attack are two different things: one is related to what happens when you just discuss the issue, one is related to what might (I apologize - I should have stated it as a hypothetical) happen if you actually do it.
The problem is that most people close down genuine discussions of secession - they associate sovereign states wanting to leave the Union with slavery and the grave political and moral mistakes the Southern states made 150 years ago.
The problem is also that most people assume that the issue of state secession, which the Constitution does not address well (or at all) was solved by Lincoln’s destructive forces. And, if a state tries to leave without Federal approval, the people may accept force again.
I would argue that one of the reasons that legitimate questions of peaceful secession get lumped in with civil war era secession is that actual Neo-Confederates WANT it that way -- any modern-day talk of secession (including states that are nowhere near the south) and they start a "the south was RIGHT!" thread on the internet, arguing that the civil war had nothing to with slavery, and wave the confederate flag around at Tea Party events. This does NOT help our side. (not to mention they totally accept the kool-aid from the mainstream media and the left that segregation-era Democrats were "the conservative party back then")
Modern-day talk of secession may be fun, but it is not something actually on the table, unless one resides in the confines of Candyland.
Kick out Hawaii and Vermont (free trade with both) and eject those foreign devils, Sanders and Leahy!
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