[Cletus.D.Yokel]

:: 3rd party would be great in theory but has a bad track record for success. ::

Maybe we can discuss the pros and cons together; at a historic location. How about under some oak trees (not many) at the Grand River Bridge on Trail Street in Jackson Michigan?

http://www.jacksonmich.com/markers/mark1.htm

[cripplecreek]

Largely mexican neighborhood these days.