[BitWielder1]

We were not defeated but we were ordered off the field before the game was over and forfeited.

[MeshugeMikey]

that’s a good way of “framing” it.

so what are the New New NEW RULES of non engagement for those left holding the bag there now?

[Vermont Lt]

In order to win in a place like Afghanistan, it would be necessary to kill every person.

Our problem is not our military. The problem was the mission. Again, we are too concerned about what people think of us. In most parts of the world, the way to win is to destroy your enemy.

We are not going to change their minds. We are not going to change their culture.

Ten minutes after we leave the Taliban and the taliban will be back in charge. Either way, we are right back to 9/10/01.