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Taliban Claims America 'Defeated' in Afghanistan
Weekly Standard ^ | DEC 29, 2014 | Geoffrey Norman

Posted on 12/29/2014 10:04:32 AM PST by MeshugeMikey

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To: hal ogen

Amen!


21 posted on 12/29/2014 10:13:56 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: BitWielder1

In order to win in a place like Afghanistan, it would be necessary to kill every person.

Our problem is not our military. The problem was the mission. Again, we are too concerned about what people think of us. In most parts of the world, the way to win is to destroy your enemy.

We are not going to change their minds. We are not going to change their culture.

Ten minutes after we leave the Taliban and the taliban will be back in charge. Either way, we are right back to 9/10/01.


22 posted on 12/29/2014 10:15:49 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Well, we didn’t exactly win anything. We kicked some but and killed a fair number of perps (including supposedly Bin Laden), but there is an endless stream of new terrorists coming up through the ranks.

And the situation for the common people, especially women, is dire once we leave .... same as it was before we came.

Meanwhile we lost a lot of good young people.

I’m personally not impressed with the outcome. Yeah, we had to go in and take some people out but we didn’t have to stay and “nation build” and all that crap.

No one is ever going to change that culture and we should not have tried.


23 posted on 12/29/2014 10:16:33 AM PST by Lorianne (fed pork, bailouts, gone taxmoney)
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To: Lorianne

Afghanistan would have been better off with the Soviets still in charge.


24 posted on 12/29/2014 10:17:24 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Logical me

There was nothing to win


25 posted on 12/29/2014 10:17:53 AM PST by Lorianne (fed pork, bailouts, gone taxmoney)
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To: LibFreeUSA

“Peace with Honor”


26 posted on 12/29/2014 10:18:27 AM PST by CDB ("Not my problem"--Baraq Hussein Obama (um, um, um))
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To: dfwgator

Even the Soviets had the good sense to leave.


27 posted on 12/29/2014 10:18:37 AM PST by Lorianne (fed pork, bailouts, gone taxmoney)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
The troops were not defeated.

That's true, but strategically it doesn't really matter. And I say that with great sadness. So much was sacrificed. And it will be for nothing. The original goals for the war were not all met, and those that were met will be reversed within the next five years.

And it is a mistake to put the blame mainly on Obama. This was Bush's war, to win or to lose. Just as Vietnam was LBJ's war, to win or to lose.

28 posted on 12/29/2014 10:22:33 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: MeshugeMikey
Shouldn't the death toll be greatest during incursion into a country??? Not with a Muslim president in charge:


29 posted on 12/29/2014 10:22:38 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing
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To: MeshugeMikey

well done bozo, he cares more about his political agenda and to hell with how America is perceived.

“We are 5 days away from fundamentally changing this country” and the crowd cheers and no one thought to ask this dumbass what he meant by that statement.

Is it any wonder why even Dem elected officials think their voters are dumb.


30 posted on 12/29/2014 10:27:18 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: MeshugeMikey

We have not won a war since WWII. A sick population has raised up sick politicians. As the good book says; “where there is no vision the people perish.” We are perishing it is a process taking centuries thus not always immediately apparent; i.e. Rome.


31 posted on 12/29/2014 10:32:44 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

centuries maybe,...certainly many many decades.


32 posted on 12/29/2014 10:38:55 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
"A sick population has raised up sick politicians."

You're right. I have so little in common with the current generation of Americans, it's almost as if we are of different species.

33 posted on 12/29/2014 10:39:41 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

Pretty sure he was referencing the ‘pic is worth 1000 words’ aspect...

Imo, it’s already happened.


34 posted on 12/29/2014 10:42:38 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: DJ Taylor

Look who they elected as President!


35 posted on 12/29/2014 10:44:01 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: ilovesarah2012

When ‘he’ (the Puppet’) says ‘we won’, I can’t argue.

He presided over finishing the job GW started in killing the military. We went in there with no concept of victory and repeated history. The Puppet doubled-down.

A ‘fail’ from our perspective...a ‘win’ from his perverted progressive view...

Maybe they’ll give him another ‘Nobel Peace Prize’...wouldn’t surprise me.

/s


36 posted on 12/29/2014 10:50:18 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
er,...mmmm...ah ..ah..whattya mean?/




37 posted on 12/29/2014 10:52:42 AM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Getting out of a no-win situation is not necessarily losing.


38 posted on 12/29/2014 10:53:20 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Cowboy Bob

We were defeated when we went I with regular troops, rather than staying SOCOM.

The Puppet doubled down and killed more US troops than the prior prez.

There is no winning AF. Our military leaders should have known better (and probably did...behind closed doors).


39 posted on 12/29/2014 10:53:24 AM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: DJ Taylor
I have so little in common with the current generation of Americans, it's almost as if we are of different species

Take heart. I am an urban school teacher. Right after 9/11, a good number of my students (ones who graduated the June before) signed up for the Guard or the Army. I was surprised, and impressed.

The American spirit is still there...if only barely. And it can be revived should another Reagan appear.

40 posted on 12/29/2014 10:53:44 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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