Posted on 12/27/2014 4:52:35 AM PST by RoosterRedux
from OUR perspective, we may someday prove that ‘yes, there have been infinite Universes and infinite chances to create this Universe and life as we see it.’ *IF* that is proven, chance becomes valid but I doubt we ever will.
I dont believe there will be anything substantial to answer this question until we actually understand the deeper mechanisms behind consciousness, fate, chance, etc.
Until then it's all faith
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A great book on the subject is “Genesis and the Big Bang” (1991) by Gerald Schroeder. He takes on the description of the Creation in Genesis in great detal, and also takes on evolution. On the latter, he says that the “development” of organic matter from inorganic matter is far less likely than one species of animal developing a brand new characteristic from nowhere (and the chances of that are virtually nil). He also shows how the rabbis of the 5 almond knew that the universe was over 14 billion years old, NOT only a few thousand. GREAT book, I highly recommend it for believers and non-believers.
“5 almond” should be “Talmud”
Never trust your phone, and preview...unlike me.
“Until then it’s all faith”
That is one of the key points. In an effort to cling to a naturalistic world view that can explain the universe without God, “science” has been forced to offer up something just an invisible, untouchable and incapable of being proven by the scientific method as the God that they fled from in the first place.
Like many liberal narratives, the “multiverse” world view has been pushed for years in fiction and in pop-science to get people to warm to the idea without realizing... it isn’t very scientific, it is just a wild theory with no way to prove it.
Your understanding and proportional mistakes are breathtaking. For this earth to be an accident is roughly the same odds that a tornado goes thru a junkyard and assembles a functional Boeing 747, complete with meal service and drinks. There is not enough time for that to EVER happen by accident.
Your lottery analogy is so mathematically insufficient as to be absurd.
The multiverse idea seems very much like an invention of vain imaginations.
Chaos normally arises when there is no structure - not too much.
Indeed....takes a LOT MORE FAITH - or a LOT MORE IGNORANCE - to believe in a cosmic accident versus a Creator God. And yet those who do think they are enlightened and faith free.
He’s a gambler, and doesn’t realize it yet. Hope he hasn’t pushed ALL his chips into the table. His hand is empty.
Does it really matter what's in his hand?
“Even if it looks impossible by time-limited human understanding, in reality ANYTHING becomes possible when time/space approaches infinity.”
Then how do we step beyond human understanding in order to know the reality you describe? Did you do this?
However, there is the little question of responsibility.
Let's say I come home and my teen-ager is watching TV; and as I walk through the house, I note that the kitchen is a mess, the bathroom is trashed - along with the kid's bedroom.
Now we have an understanding in my house that we finish our work before we take leisure time. However, if when I confront my teenager regarding his lack of responsible action, he responds "how was I supposed to know that anything needed to be cleaned?", can one reasonably agree that with such a response he is off the hook?
I would argue that in this life we are also responsible to look around and ask if there is anything we are called to do. In the Bible, there comes a time when Christ returns, and he finds that some are ready. The rest (who are not ready) might try to make the claim "how was I to know to be ready".
To this question the Bible makes it clear: "you knew" (iow, we are responsible for our lack of inaction).
Let me help you out - we were speaking in the “gambler” analogy, as in, a poker hand. Did that really whoosh past you? Or did you feel a nitpick need? Or were you trying to make some kind of “deeper” point? (I could guess what).
I really would be interested to know.
Indeed - the sin of omission is of the same caliber as sins of commission.
Let me ask you this, if he’s gambling what are the stakes and who gets to decide the winner?
He appears to be gambling that there is no Creator God - which indicates that the whole thing about Salvation, etc, is a fairy tale. He is basing this gamble on a very shallow analysis of mathematical probabilities and the latest science.
Thus, he is holding a pair of 2s, but thinks that hand will carry the day. Sounds like you are making the same gamble.
Case for a creator bump....
When I was in high school, my biology teacher began the first day of school in his class by saying, “I am required to teach from the aspect of the theory of evolution. But I am a Christian, and I have the conviction in my spirit to also teach about Creationism—that God created everything. With a show of hands, how many of you would like me to teach Creationism as well?”
Everyone except I believe one or two of the class raised their hands, myself included (and with the utmost joy in my heart!).
He said, “The majority rules, so I will teach of both aspects.”
What a joy it was to be in that biology class each and every day, being taught by a man who stood by the Holy Word of God!
What evidence?
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