Posted on 12/14/2014 5:48:38 AM PST by Kaslin
Democrats are always on dubious ground whenever they use the word "stain." However, that didn't deter Senator Diane Feinstein from describing the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) efforts to tease valuable information out of mass murdering jihadists as "a stain on American values and history." The CIA's enhanced interrogation program was a tease in comparison to the prehistoric barbarity of Islamic jihadists and in comparison to the horrors of actual battle.
Review the footage from the Twin Towers on that infamous day. American citizens, real people, with wives, husbands, and children threw themselves, in desperation, out of the inferno to be shattered to splinters on the sidewalk below. Any one of them would trade places with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, or Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, who got a little water splashed in their faces. They were none the worse for wear while three thousand Americans died in very unpleasant ways on September 11th. The real stain, aside from Bill Clinton's infamous blot, is the impolite streak that the last six years of the Obama administration has left in Uncle Sam's skivvies.
Last Tuesday, December 9, the Democrats scurried to the prefabricated-crisis-cabinet and shattered the glass. Feinstein dusted off the Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Torture and spoon fed it into the thick, open mouths of the infantile mainstream media. Once properly fed, the toady media dutifully excreted the undigested, foul report and stained every available medium with the baseless political tract. Feinstein wasted no time in assuming center stage in the democrat theatre of the absurd. In politics timing is everything and the release of the report was timed, not so coincidentally, with the Gruber hearings.
Gruber must certainly be classified as a stain. Obamacare is an absurdity perpetrated on the American people by an administration occupied by immoral political autocrats bent upon subjugating the American people beneath the harness of a socialist economic tyranny, managed by a sneering plutocracy. Gruber's comments about Americans being stupid is a universally held belief among members of the Democrat party. Obama, Holder, Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Gruber they all think that hard working, responsible, taxpaying Americans are really stupid. That's why Obama spends so much time on the golf course--because, he thinks, the American people are too stupid to see what's going on right in front of them. That’s why Nancy Pelosi felt empowered to make the absurd remark, “we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”To the liberal elite Americans are simply stupid sheeple in need of a enlightened shepherd. And, Obama is only too happy to gather his sanctimonious robes and hoist his imperious staff. However, the crushing defeat of Democrats in the mid-term elections seems to indicate that common sense America isn’t fooled by MIT or Harvard credentials.
The Obama administration's racism is a stain. A new report from the World Values Survey has concluded that America is one of the most racially tolerant countries in the world. Common sense America already knows that, but the constant drumbeat from the Obama administration is one of racial agitation. Obama said recently that racism “is something that is deeply rooted in our society.” What a calumny! What a shameful disgrace for an American president to indict the American people as racist. What colossal irony! Obama is half black, has enjoyed the highest stations of privilege that this country has to offer and all without ever having held a real job. The U.S. Attorney General is black. A Supreme Court justice is black. One of the wealthiest persons in the country is Oprah Winfrey, a black female. Our entertainment and sports industries are dominated by black Americans. After the civil rights act of 1964, affirmative action, and relentless efforts in both the media and in education to right past injustices and to incorporate a disenfranchised people, it is the most craven deceit to claim that all these efforts have been in vain and that the American people may still be dishonored by that spurious claim. Are there instances of racism? Absolutely, and one will find instances of that in any country, but in America to a far lesser degree. Is there institutional racism in this country? Absolutely not. It is without question a relic of the past, just as the founders intended. Why else would they pen a political document that contradicted the practice of slavery directly and unequivocally? Shame on Barack Hussein Obama and every other creature of the racism industry.
The CIA's use of the enhanced interrogation program was both a legitimate use of governmental power, was moral in its implementation, and was highly successful in producing actionable intelligence. Legitimate government derives its powers from God and exercises its power within Divinely prescribed spheres of authority. When human government attempts to expand its power beyond those devolved upon it by God it becomes oppressive and; therefore, illegitimate. The power of war and police powers are specifically addressed in the Bible. Romans 13: 3,4 states:
“For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.”
Here, the Bible describes government’s legitimate exercise of military and police power. Government’s prime directive is to encourage the good (as defined Biblically)—to pursue it and foster its growth throughout all of the body politic. In this environment the civil society flourishes. If government becomes a “terror”to good works it is no longer a Divinely sanctioned “power.”However, government is charged with God’s authority to “execute wrath”specifically on “him that doeth evil.”In fact, just governments must instill fear in those who practice evil.
The power of the sword is the power of life and death. In moral terms, conducting enhanced interrogation techniques that don’t result in death, but leave the subject of these techniques relatively unharmed, fall well within a legitimate government’s proper authority. Moreover, subjecting a terrorist to techniques specifically designed to elicit fear, pain, and anxiety fall explicitly within the Biblical boundaries, “But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid.”
Governments fail at social justice, social welfare, and social engineering because these are beyond the scope of human government as defined Biblically. But, this is precisely why government is generally successful in prosecuting war and in providing police services.
Liberals would have Americans believe that the CIA held terrorists down and extracted their fingernails with a rusty pair of pliers. Even if they had, so what? War is a hellish business because it is a human product. Brutality is a necessary component of waging war and the brutality of evil must be met by rugged men of remorseless conviction. The CIA’s interrogation techniques are positively genteel in comparison to the beheadings, stonings, and live burials perpetrated by the enemy. The hypocritical Obama administration rains down hellfire missiles in torrents, blasting people into dismembered fragments and nary a sniff is heard from the fawning, monolithic media. The men and women of the CIA are busy about saving a noble republic from the barbarians at the gate. And, they’re doing it with God’s blessing.
It is not a big if when people are jumping from the 40th floor to avoid burning to death. No if, no maybe. Certain death. And you would not dunk a known bad guy underwater to prevent a recurrence. You occupy no higher moral plane. St Thomas was pretty clear. Not defending innocent human life is a sin, not a virtue.
People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
Thank God there are people ready to do violence for their country. Otherwise, there may well not be a country to fight for. BTW in the long run 50-100 years we will loose the war against Islam because people like you and DiFi insist on playing nice.
Just another step in the left’s campaign to destroy America.
so we lost WWI and WWII? Don’t recall we water boarded in either of those.
It’s one thing to torture the bad guys, it’s another to bomb them in a war.
This is war. Mistakes happen. Not all bombs hit their targets. The kenyan & W. killed hundreds of civilians with drones. Some of those innocents died slow deaths. Should we stop droning also?
look there are rules for that too. Is it a legitimate target? Go for it. There are rules for all this stuff. Torture is not only wrong, it is illegal. Why do you think all those DOJ lawyers had to write tomes of crapola attempting to justify it under the law? Because torture is illegal that’s why.
As you pointed out those were SOLDEIRS and bound by the various conventions. If you think no Japanese were tortured to get information you are very misinformed.
Link please
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes_during_World_War_II
I will throw in some Germans:
Having received intelligence that a fleet of German U-Boats armed with V-1 Flying Bombs were heading towards Eastern coast of America, the U.S. and Canada sent out a large anti-submarine task force comprised of some 42 destroyers and four aircraft carriers to neutralise the threat. Over the course of a month, the fleet sank five German submarines and captured two others, while suffering the loss of one destroyer.
But this entry concerns the treatment of five crew-members from the U-546, who were brutally interrogated in order to quickly extract information concerning a possible missile attack on the eastern coast. One officer who was tortured committed suicide whilst in custody. Were the American torture methods justified? You decide – but bear in mind that the fears later turned out to be unfounded.
http://listverse.com/2012/12/14/top-10-allied-war-crimes-of-world-war-ii/
More Japanese:
Unfortunately, due to the volatile and vicious nature of the war, there was practically zero press on the ground to provide concrete evidence of atrocities (the photograph above, taken by Tom Simmen, is one of the few to have surfaced). Survivors, however, reported mass looting and pillaging, summary execution, and torture of POWs and Chinese civilians believed to have been collaborating with Imperial Japan – as well as mass rape within occupied settlements – to name but a few.
http://listverse.com/2012/12/14/top-10-allied-war-crimes-of-world-war-ii/
I am off to execute some coyotes. I promise not to waterboard tem first.
“So if torture is just A-OK, how long does it take us to descend down the slippery slope to sawing off heads? If killing people accidentally while torturing them for information or just because is just peachy keen, where to draw the line............decisions, decisions.”
One of my best friends would like to comment on this, but he’s not available. He was reduced to a pile of dust by Muslim terrorists on 9/11. They did identify a very small piece of his hip bone, that was delivered to his wife and 3 young children one Saturday morning a few years later. So there is that. I have no sympathy at all for what they do to these savages.
There were rules for “torture” also. There are mistakes in war. We’ve got to deal with that fact or not fight wars.
The movie “Unthinkable” explores the limits of torture. Beware it is not for the squemish but it will make you think. I thought it was a good movie up to the last 2 minutes. The ending was really stupid.
I believe that American good outweighs Muslim bad any day of the week. Sort of “the ends justify the means” thing.
“The CIA Smacked Around A Few Terrorists. So What?” Exactly. The days of the Geneva Convention are gone as long as we oppose the expansion of Islamist thug culture.
More precisely, the prez gets his target list for this ‘clinically clean’ drone killing from WHAT sources? The very ones developed from this enhanced interrogation, that’s where.
What this was about was lib biotch Di-Fi being spied on by counter intel from the US for the leaks she’s been involved in, in the very wary we are fighting against terror. In view of her liberal/euro socialist connections, it is possible her leaks were directed against the Israel she doesn’t want— the self defense Israel. Keep in mind also that Di-Fi is the living example of a govt. parasite thief of federal property and venture socialism, and anti-2nd Amendment all for gun seizures of any kind (remember semi-auto rifles and magazine size, she wanted banned). As such, she is the witting tool- the useful idiots of the marxists who want this country destroyed and replaced by them. So, more power to the CIA and the NSA to spy on the intel committee chief for leaking sensitive info to our enemies and getting our people killed. It is bigger than this BS press release and righteous indignation for the press. She is a liar— plain and simple. And so is Hitlery and Warren.
Or perhaps the women and children are connected to the “involved”. Like when Reagan ordered the F-111 attacks on Quadaffi and his family, killing many of his family. He definitely shut the hell up after that— for many many years.
In the islamofascist world superior force and targeted barbarism gets results— it is likely all the terror merchants respect.
About which see the very preachy “Munich” which did happen— they paid dearly for their transgressions.
Something a lot of people don’t know is that Reagan hired sub-rosa Brit ex SAS people to go into Lebanon and completely utterly take out all of the people involved in bombing the US Marine barracks. They got them all— and the fedayeen learned a serious lesson.
This has to be the way, because jihad (promotion of islam by violent means per the koran) is a self generating army of crazy people willing to kill themselves to kill- us.
Well, they have— beheadings with videos and pushing buttons.
So, yeah the fair question is there and so is our answer. Much better to sweat the principals and get the network than the sanitized obamaumao version of drone strikes— like the air force that never sees what it does to people on the ground. Targeted, precise and effective elimination of the networks for generations— that is what works.
Not according to the UN, and the EU, but definitely according to the Muslim Brotherhood. Of course what they are doing... right now... it not.
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