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To: servo1969

What does surrender to Iran mean? They get to hang homosexuals and stone adulterous women starting in LA and NY? The ebt cards stop working 5 times a day during prayer calls?


7 posted on 12/11/2014 5:33:41 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

“What does surrender to Iran mean?”

Excellent question.
In WWII, USA was ready to roll a million troops into Japan. Obviously Iran isn’t likewise capable to any degree, and not really in any position to invoke positive demands (to wit: loser will do X, Y & Z).

What would happen? what’s “surrender”? Nothing. And that’s the goal.
USA promised to protect Ukraine from aggressors. They were invaded, we did nothing.
USA promised to protect Israel from aggressors. This administration is more interested in berating than protecting.
USA promised to protect Taiwan from aggressors. Nobody, at this time, takes that seriously.
Likewise other promises of protection of friends worldwide. Where there should be a unquestioned expectation of strength, there is only projection of weakness (from failure to act on a grand scale, down to overt genuflecting to other leaders, to silence against rank insults (Putin’s tweets, UN photo of POTUS relegated to the leaders’ wive’s group)).

Seeing a should-be world-class jock & protector humiliated and impotent, petty bullies will turn their actions to acts of dominance: kick ‘em when he’s down. HARD. Make him _stay_ down.
Iran is making nukes. Yeah, they haven’t succeeded yet, but their scientists are not incompetent. Heck, even North Korea has built multiple nukes - under the worst conditions possible. They only need succeed once; 2-3 times clinches what’s next.

So, to “surrender”:
NYC & LA, for most practical purposes, cease to exist one morning. Iran takes credit.
Obama does ... nothing.
No vast counter-attack. No “glass parking lot”.
No active submission. No large ransom/protection payment.
Nothing.
The world sees the former superpower just sit there, whimpering. Impotent. Clueless. Pathetic.
World diplomatic influence ceases to exist.
THAT is surrender.
That would satisfy Iran.

And a giant power vacuum would appear.
And WWIII goes hot.


28 posted on 12/11/2014 7:01:14 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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