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America’s Children: The Trials of Growing Up in a Police State
The Blaze ^ | Dec. 4, 2014 | John Whitehead - The Rutherford Institute

Posted on 12/09/2014 5:22:40 PM PST by Rabin

Cleveland killer officer shot to death 12-year-old Tamir Rice, who was playing on a playground with a toy gun, no charges filed. Thirteen-year-old Andy Lopez Cruz was shot 7 times in 10 seconds by a California killer deputy early on a clear afternoon, he grand jury refused the case and the DA exonerated. Christopher Roupe, 17, was shot and killed after opening the door to a killer officer, mis-identified a remote control in Roupe’s hand' shot him in the chest with his Glock, at three ft. it exploded both the child's lungs.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; policestate
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To: raybbr
I’m curious what you expect the police to do when they get a person with a gun call in an area like that?

Approach with caution. They're supposed to regard the safety of everyone - not just themselves.

Okay, then they should allow the suspect to fire off rounds in the direction of whatever is behind the officers, an appartment building, business, just whatever happens to be there right?

Should they perhaps pull up thirty yards away?

Yes.

Why?  They wanted to take immediate action with that individual.  Already you're revealing you don't quite grasp what "person with a gun" means.  You want that person disarmed as rapidly as possible.  If that means taking them out, then that's what it means.  Why should some family behind the officers have to lose one or more of their loved ones?.

Should they allow the person to take a hostage?

Didn't happen and wasn't going to happen.

If he's thirty yards away and bolts, you have no idea what will happen.  Thirty yards is 90 feet.  That kid could retrace his steps and wind up back at the playground with other kids in danger.  He could run in other directions too, enter a home, take hostages.  You never know.

Should they perhaps let them get a few rounds off before they get serious?

Depends. When a cop shoots first and then asks questions he's a "hero". When a civilian does it he goes straight to jail.


Cry me a river.  Lesson, don't play with objects that look like a gun at a playground, and then do anything other than get on your stomach on the ground when officer pull up.

DO NOT pull something that looks like a weapon out of your belt and expect salutations and a conversation for you efforts.


21 posted on 12/09/2014 6:14:03 PM PST by DoughtyOne (GOP. GOPe. GOPeGads! GOPeWWWWWWWWWWWWW...)
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To: Ouderkirk

And we’re to ignore the clear issues of cops that are quick to kill, and a system quick to let them? All because of this fear of the feds?

Sorry, but there have been a LOT of incidents that should NOT have happened. Yet the cops almost always walk. That can only be allowed to go so far. Cops watched the shooters in the Dorner hunt walk, after doing their best to kill 3 innocent people for no reason. That, and others, have sent a dangerous message to cops. “Screw up all you like.”

Mistakes happen, but cops need to learn that there are both limits to the number and types of mistakes we’ll accept before they have to answer for it. Otherwise, they’ll only get worse.

This is not something that can be ignored, simply for fear of the feds.


22 posted on 12/09/2014 6:14:19 PM PST by LevinFan
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To: Sherman Logan

If someone levels what looks like a gun at you, you be brave and take the first bullet. I’m not asking any public servant to do the same.

You imply that the officers should allow the person to fire off a round(s), by your mention of return fire.

NO!


23 posted on 12/09/2014 6:15:55 PM PST by DoughtyOne (GOP. GOPe. GOPeGads! GOPeWWWWWWWWWWWWW...)
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To: DariusBane

Yep. They came in with one gun blazing!


24 posted on 12/09/2014 6:16:25 PM PST by VerySadAmerican
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To: DoughtyOne

When I was a kid growing up in the San Fernando Valley 50 years ago, ANY COP that shot an Unarmed Person WENT TO JAIL for manslaughter. No If’s and’s or but’s it was over for them. they used to be held to a higher standard than us peasants, but that is when they were “Peace Officers” and before the Police State and the transformation into “Law Enforcement” officers.


25 posted on 12/09/2014 6:17:10 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: Ouderkirk

The one world government folks want a World Police and the local police are playing right into their plans. All so they can get a Kevlar helmet and vest and a mrap and look tough.


26 posted on 12/09/2014 6:17:33 PM PST by VerySadAmerican
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To: DoughtyOne
When you have an adult point to make, I’ll respond to it.

LOL, no fair copying. I already made that point to you, in my post about what you said.

Unless you now have an opinion that there exists some sort of proper police procedure that exists between 1) a remote-control drone strike; and 2) pulling up and shooting a 12-year old with a toy gun within 5 seconds?

Anything?

27 posted on 12/09/2014 6:18:35 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Lesson, don't play with objects that look like a gun at a playground, and then do anything other than get on your stomach on the ground when officer pull up.

Yeah, cause kids shouldn't be playing cops and robbers - they might get shot by a real cop.

Seriously, a 12 year old, like my son, gets shot for playing a game and you revel in it.

28 posted on 12/09/2014 6:23:05 PM PST by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: DoughtyOne

And maybe the kid was pulling it out to show it was
just a toy.Today we.have too many trigger happy cops and too many fools giving them free reign.

@


29 posted on 12/09/2014 6:23:27 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: LevinFan

The thing that is really disturbing about some of you folks, is that you realize the police were called with a “person with a weapon” report.

You realize by now it is stated the kid pulled the object out of his pants as the police pulled up.

They exited the vehicle to confront him, and he pointed it at them.

So what part of the officers believing they were facing a serious threat do you not quite rasp?

This is one more in a series of stupid moves by members of the public that resulted in exactly what any honest evaluator would assume they would.

Suspect points what looks like a gun at officer. They opened fire. Gosh, what a surprise.

Now you’ll trot off to some other thread thinking this is one more incident that proves officers are out of control.

It isn’t. You don’t know it. That is a problem.


30 posted on 12/09/2014 6:23:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (GOP. GOPe. GOPeGads! GOPeWWWWWWWWWWWWW...)
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To: DoughtyOne

If I walk into an ambiguous situation and shoot someone who turns out to not really be a threat, I’m in major trouble.

Why should a less stringent standard be applied to cops?


31 posted on 12/09/2014 6:23:39 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: eyeamok

This kid was not presenting as an unarmed kid.

I can tell you for certain that if you had pointed what looked like a gun at an officer 50 years ago, you would have moments later had extra holes in you.


32 posted on 12/09/2014 6:25:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (GOP. GOPe. GOPeGads! GOPeWWWWWWWWWWWWW...)
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To: Sherman Logan
Because no one's calling your stupid ass when they're in trouble.

If you encounter an "ambiguous" situation on the streets, you can just run away and keep your conscience clean.

Pretty sure you wouldn't voluntarily go to help out people at a Rec center in Cleveland who are calling about a little gangbanger in training.

I wouldn't either, but I sure as hell wouldn't bitch like a woman about those who do.

33 posted on 12/09/2014 6:28:50 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: Talisker

I didn’t copy anything. Quite revelatory that you honestly think I did.

Was there a drone here? No.

Was there a report of a person with a weapon? Yes.

Did the kid pull what looked like a gun out of his waist? Yes.

Did the officers observe the boy on the approach? Yes.

This didn’t merely happen in a second or two.

He faced the officer with what looked like a weapon.

Who is really to blame?

The stupid kid is.


34 posted on 12/09/2014 6:29:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (GOP. GOPe. GOPeGads! GOPeWWWWWWWWWWWWW...)
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To: raybbr

He was waging a weapon near a playground.

Someone called in a person with a weapon report.

Officer approached the scene, seeing a kid on the sidewalk.

The kid withdrew what looked like a gun from his pants and pointed it at the officers.

You know, when you do that, you’ve just taken your life in your own hands, and handed it to someone else.

Bullets from a gun a 12 year old carries, will kill you just as certainly as the bullets from a gun a 52 year old person carries.


35 posted on 12/09/2014 6:33:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (GOP. GOPe. GOPeGads! GOPeWWWWWWWWWWWWW...)
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s a kid. You tell him to hand it over. You don’t shoot him.


36 posted on 12/09/2014 6:33:36 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm not trashing the cops. I'm trashing the son of a b!tch that killed a twelve year old boy with a toy pistol.

Besides, this trigger happy officer has troubled history. We need officers and the majority of cops are good decent people with families just like you or I.

With that, folks that come out and defend poor behavior from officers no matter the circumstances are just plain misguided.

News Flash! There really are rogue cops walking the streets. There really are crooked cops on the take among the good officers. Hey, don't believe it...research Houston police department.

If you defend all cops no matter what, then the bad apples will never be culled.

37 posted on 12/09/2014 6:34:28 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: hoosierham

Yeah right. That opinion and a fifty cent piece won’t get you a newspaper.

When someone pulls what looks like a gun on you, we’ll see how generous you are with your life.


38 posted on 12/09/2014 6:34:46 PM PST by DoughtyOne (GOP. GOPe. GOPeGads! GOPeWWWWWWWWWWWWW...)
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To: DoughtyOne

What i saw was a mounted assualt. Done very nicely, if this was Iraq.


39 posted on 12/09/2014 6:35:19 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: yldstrk

Ha, ha, ha...

Yeah, he points it at you and you strike up a conversation while he pumps three rounds into you.

Sounds like a great plan. /s


40 posted on 12/09/2014 6:35:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (GOP. GOPe. GOPeGads! GOPeWWWWWWWWWWWWW...)
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