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To: DugwayDuke

Facts:

1. Obamacare is unpopular
2. Amnesty is even more unpopular
3. Republicans will have control of both Congressional Houses
4. If you present bills to Obama to rein in these programs and he vetoes them (or shuts down the government) make him own it.
5. If you present bills to fund everything EXCEPT these two and he chooses to shut down the government rather than sign them, he will be laid bare as the ideologue he is—even for the LIV.


85 posted on 12/09/2014 7:30:22 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: pgyanke

“4. If you present bills to Obama to rein in these programs and he vetoes them (or shuts down the government) make him own it.”
“5. If you present bills to fund everything EXCEPT these two and he chooses to shut down the government rather than sign them, he will be laid bare as the ideologue he is—even for the LIV.”

One minor point. The GOP cannot bring a bill to the floor without six democrat senators voting in favor of cloture. That limits their ability to “bring bills to Obama”.

Essentially, you are saying that the only thing the GOP can do without democrat cooperation is to bring bills forward that force votes that embarrass Obama and the Democrat party. With that I agree.

My disagreement with others on this thread is that one can blame the gop for not repealing obamacare or overturning amnesty. Even if every GOP senator votes in favor of those things, they will not pass.

I also disagree with others on this thread that shutting down the government is a viable strategy. Others say that since the GOP ran on overturning amnesty and repealing Obamacare, they have a mandate to shutdown the government. That completely ignores the fact that every GOP candidate ran on a platform of no government shutdown.


86 posted on 12/10/2014 5:48:43 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Principles without power aren't worth spit.)
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