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To: butterdezillion

Ruehli addresses the reason Cosby is not speaking out herself— she says, it is because he would be lying if he denies it. in a way, this is a prediction. she is predicting Cosby (himself) won’t come after her because he knows it is true and cannot disprove it. so far, i have not seen where her prediction is false. that is a bit risky, but it offers a semi-scientific test of her credibility, and so far she appears to have passed. what would you do if someone claimed you raped someone else? would you remain silent about it or defend your good name and reputation by denouncing that person? compare your response with what cosby is doing.

anywhere you want to work, you need to show up every day, on time, or have a good reason, and make your sick days few and far between. was she sick the week before? we don’t know. would she be sick the next week? she would not know herself since that would be in her future and unpredictable. so she naturally has to minimize her sick days. was the next day of her attendance at work critical to the company’s success? again we don’t know but if it was, then she would probably have wanted to do her best to show up rather than have some big project postponed or canceled because of her absence.

as to why she did not tell her bf, i thought i had gone over that in a previous response but let me try again. the woman is single and working in what is basically an entertainment related job in LA. Have you lived and worked in LA? I have. \In case you have not, let me tell you about LA. LA is a small town for the entertainment industry people who work there. If you work in the entertainment industry in LA, and you badmouth an important entertainment person, you are blacklisted. That means, you lose your job and you never work in the entertainment industry in LA again. So if an entertainment bigshot abuses you, your options are to say something about it to someone, and then lose your career, or move away, or be silent about it. The woman chose to be silent about it, even to her boyfriend. Let’s say she mentioned it to her boyfriend. Then she would have had to deal with the possibility that the boyfriend would go to BC, or BC’s bosses at NBC, or the police. Either way, she would have risked losing her remaining control over the situation, and for a guy who is not even her husband yet. What would you do in that situation, since you are so critical of her, and why? Why would you place control over the situation in someone else’s hands and risk losing your career? The woman was not permanently physically harmed, and her career subsequently bloomed. I think she exercised good judgment. I am surprised that you would feel otherwise and not choose to support a woman who is a victim take and retain control over the situation, evaluate her options in a calm manner, and move on with her life successfully as she apparently did.

Pantyhose in shreds— no, just the bottoms of the pantyhose torn as if from walking over a rough surface, which she guessed was due to walking around the outdoor pool area on some concrete. That can be fixed either by removing the pantyhose or putting on shoes until she can replace the pantyhose. She could have done either at any point after the incident. You’ve made this point twice. The first time I did not address it because it seemed like a stretch. (In fact, most of your arguments seem like stretching to me. But whatever.)

How many of her friends are Hollywood leftists? We don’t know for certain. I would not be surprised if she had some. But is that guilt by association? She says she moved to NYC and made a career there. That does not sound to me at all like a typical Hollywood leftist entertainment industry worker. This woman moved on, far beyond the LA entertainment scene. Her Hollywood leftist friends, if any, would hardly be people that she wanted or needed or depended on much in NYC, which has its own bruising work culture.

The other comedian’s name is Hannibal Buress. He was a scriptwriter for 30 Rock before the incident where he stood up in a comedy club and asked people to google cosby and rape. That’s all he did. It was pretty brave imho, considering that he is also in the entertainment industry. I suspect he is close to if not part of the Tina Fey nexus who is responsible for the 2005 30 Rock episode allegedly pointing a finger at Cosby for sexual abuse.

Cosby says blacks should pull up their pants. Yeah, he said that in 2004. I recall it being a big shock since everyone presumed Cosby to be a liberal. I wonder if he was feeling heat for the sexual abuse allegations coming down the pike at him, and so maybe (?) as an alternative way of looking at it, he needed to supply the media with a counterbalancing optic (the so-called Pound Cake speech, May 2004) so he could wipe away the other headlines coming his way. Is it a far stretch? The guy has been in show biz almost all of his adult life, and has lots of money to mount a PR campaign. Accounts tell of him blocking a National Enquirer expose on him by offering it an exclusive interview with him, burying the expose. So it sounds like Cosby had means, motive, and opportunity to do a head fake to the media for his own benefit. He could have told kids to pull their pants up a decade or two earlier, but he waited until May 2004. Courand’s lawsuit started in January 2004. Which event sticks in your mind? In my recollection, it is the Pound Cake speech and not the lawsuit (fooey on me). And it was not a rant. He said “You leave here and google ‘bill cosby’ rape.” 8 words is not a rant, at least in my book, and he did not specifically say that bill cosby raped anyone. he simply asked (I paraphrase) that audience attendees inform themselves about bill cosby concerning rape by using google. Anything wrong with that? —Right, I thought not.

Back to Kristina Ruehli, what exactly would you say to her in person? That she is a slut or a bimbo? That anything and everything that happened to her concerning alleged sexual abuse by BC is her fault? That she should never retain control over her own destiny and always rely on a boyfriend or husband to do amy heavy lifting for her? That she should be a mind-reader or fortune teller and figure out that BC’s wife was not at the LA home when she would be there?

Please keep in mind the dangers of presentism as I explained a few responses ago. Sexual abuse is a very painful topic for the victim, even if (and perhaps especially if) one is a spouse of the victim. Enough said. :-(


257 posted on 12/06/2014 4:58:55 PM PST by SteveH
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To: SteveH

There were no abuse claims coming down the pike for Cosby in 2004 when he made his speech. That’s one of my points. According to the stories he had been abusing everybody and their dog over the past 30 years and nobody had said a peep. So then he decides to anger the leftists in Hollywood to distract them? Makes no sense. At all.

You of all people should realize that Cosby HAS NO DEFENSE HE COULD QIVE. Just like you had no evidence you could produce to prove neither you nor your father had raped me in 1972 in Norfolk, NE. It is a true “he said, she said” situation, where the accusers don’t even claim to have told ANYBODY what had happened at the time, except in one instance where one said she talked to her attorney, IIRC.

But even that makes no sense. She spoke to an attorney and the attorney didn’t even realize she just captured the goose that lays the golden eggs? How many ambulance chasers are there in Hollywood, who would easily have seen that her “blue dress” was her (and her attorney’s) ticket to riches?

And this woman believes that the man drugged her with the intent to rape her - and yet he is such an honorable man that he won’t deny it because that would be a lie? That makes no sense. If he’s this monster, then why would he care about lying to cover his own arse? By saying he wouldn’t lie she is admitting she does NOT think he is a monster. Which is a strange way of thinking about somebody you’re accusing of attempted rape.

These women were from all stations of life over decades - that’s the claim. Yet NONE of them told any of their friends, spouses, boyfriends, etc that they had been drugged and raped because the power of Hollywood is so overwhelming in ALL those walks of life, places, and decades? Those arguments refute themselves.


258 posted on 12/06/2014 5:22:59 PM PST by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/ g G)
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To: SteveH

Two other points:

1. You can see what Buress actually said at http://www.vulture.com/2014/10/hannibal-buress-called-bill-cosby-a-rapist.html It is far more than 8 words, and it specifically talks about Cosby havinq no riqht to criticize Black culture.

2. You talk about the trauma of sexual assault. But the woman with the shredded pantyhose feet said there was no danqer of a lawsuit from her because she had not suffered harm. She’s listed as a “victim” in all the lists because she was in the Constand lawsuit documents, but she herself says she is NOT a victim. That fits with her apparent belief that Cosby is honorable enouqh to not lie...


259 posted on 12/06/2014 5:36:34 PM PST by butterdezillion (Note to self : put this between arrow keys: img src=""/ g G)
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