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To: ConservingFreedom

Here’s where I need to get with it.

Potheads need to admit that pot is destructive. Alcoholics know alcohol is, they don’t kid themselves about it. To deny pot is destructive is to be in denial about the nature of it and nothing constructive can go on without this.

Potheads need to admit it needs to be regulated because they don’t live in a libertarian vacuum world where ONLY they are harmed by pot. We see that in the real world the alcoholic harms a lot more people than just themselves, directly and indirectly. There’s no nice vacuum where only they get hurt. And hurt is defined more than just damaging the body.

Potheads need to admit laws need to be in placed for pot users that hurt others while under the influence. We have drunk driving laws. There must be under the influence pot laws because we’ve seen they do hurt people while on pot, and they will continue to do so in the future.

There are also age limits for alcohol. There will be age limits for pot. I would go so far as to say as we did with alchol in places where certain ages could have beer but not hard liqour, certain ages (younger) couldn’t have certain more potent strains of pot until an older age.

There are also places where alcohol isn’t allowed. Same for pot. If you’re drunk or high you can’t be in those places.

I think if you injure or kill people under the influence of alcohol or pot, it should be 2nd degree homicide (not premeditated). Not merely manslaughter on the lesser negligent homicide. They know pot kills reflexes and cognitive thinking, and that’s just not giving a sh1t about anyone just to personally “feel good”.

But the whole mentality of pot folks that say it only affects the person and nobody else, is libertarian bullsh1t. That denial has to be dropped because you know by the real world that is just not true. You know alcohol isn’t like that so drop that argument because nobody’s buying it. The potheads who point out the societal problems of alcohol as justification for legalizing pot, fail to notice they destroy their own “drugs won’t hurt anyone else” position.


281 posted on 12/02/2014 3:11:16 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
We have drunk driving laws. There must be under the influence pot laws because we’ve seen they do hurt people while on pot, and they will continue to do so in the future.

There are also age limits for alcohol. There will be age limits for pot. I would go so far as to say as we did with alchol in places where certain ages could have beer but not hard liqour, certain ages (younger) couldn’t have certain more potent strains of pot until an older age.

There are also places where alcohol isn’t allowed. Same for pot. If you’re drunk or high you can’t be in those places.

I think if you injure or kill people under the influence of alcohol or pot, it should be 2nd degree homicide (not premeditated). Not merely manslaughter on the lesser negligent homicide.

Works for me.

But the whole mentality of pot folks that say it only affects the person and nobody else

I'm not "pot folks" and I don't concern myself with "affects," which are generally none of government's business, but with violations of rights. Drug or alcohol use in itself violates no rights (unless a parent renders themselves unable to meet their responsibilities to their minor children).

283 posted on 12/02/2014 4:01:21 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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