Beside, God's law doesn't require a person to have a heterosexual arounsal pattern. God's law reuires a person --- no matter what their "orientation --- to be chaste. Meaning, to refrain from sexual gratification outside of husband-and-wife marriage.
And to love the Lord their God with their whole heart, sould, mind, and strength.
Well said. As well, one should never say never here; some have indeed had this orientation “changed”. Maybe those are the ones who had it changed in the first place due to abuse or rape or other environmental “causes”, but at least people are recognizing the complexity of the situation homosexual Christians (or any homosexual) find themselves in.
So scientists and psychiatrists should just give up trying to help those who want relief from homosexual feelings because it “is probably impossible”?
The last real scientist to look at the etiology and possibilities of psychtherapy was Irving Bieber of the University of Houston, who published a multiyear “longitudinal” study of gay men in 1962 or so. Bieber wasn’t refuted as much as outmaneuvered and “handled” by the homosexual cabal that rolled all three APA’s and “took over” the definition and study of paraphilia in 1972.
Bieber concluded that about a third of male homosexuality was essential (hardwired), and the rest either psychological or habituated (oriented by seduction and initiation) and therefore reachable by reparative therapy.
Sodomite lust is an indication that God has “given them over.” Reprobate, rejected. Except in rare circumstance (see 1 Corinthians 6:9—KJV) sodomite lust is an insurmountable barrier, because God has allowed it for the reprobate. See Romans 1.
I know it’s hard to accept this. We think that all people can be saved. But there are categories of people who have so rejected God, that God gives them over to their reprobate condition. See Romans 1:18ff for the process leading to this reprobate state.
Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is another unforgivable sin. See Mark 3.
Changing the words of the prophecy of the Revelation of Jesus Christ by adding to them or taking from them results in damnation. See Revelation 22.
Some have a gambling orientation. Some have a drinking orientation. Some have an adultery orientation. I have a pride orientation and an anger orientation. Overall, man has a sin orientation.
Oddly enough, we only seem to use the term ‘orientation’ as an excuse for homosexuality. I had a temper when I was a baby, I’m told. Still do in my 50s. That doesn’t excuse my temper. It just means I need to submit to God and be changed. It is also something that counseling can help.
I read a book years ago by a guy who specialized in counseling homosexuals. He said it was not genetic, but it was often rooted in the first years of life. He said it was a continuum - some chose to be homosexual, some could change to heterosexual, some would always deal with homosexual desires, on down to some who would remain active homosexuals and were glad to be that way. His counseling focused on helping those who wanted to change.
Mohler is wrong, according to this guy. I cannot speak to it from a counseling viewpoint, but I do think Mohler comes too close to excusing it when he talks about an orientation.
We don’t know if it’s possible to get rid of faggtory via medical or psychiatric means because the mainstream medical community quit trying decades ago (when treatment of mental illness was in the dark ages). If you ask me, they should start again.