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1 posted on 11/22/2014 11:38:11 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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One more liberal myth blows up in their faces


2 posted on 11/22/2014 11:40:04 AM PST by Sasparilla
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You’re average Joe knew that 6 years ago. Guess Google engineers aren’t all that good.


3 posted on 11/22/2014 11:40:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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This should come to no surprise to anyone who knows basic physics. To be usable, energy cannot be accumulated, it must be unleashed.

Looks like it is fusion or nothing.


4 posted on 11/22/2014 11:42:06 AM PST by freedumb2003 (obozocare: shovel-ready health care)
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Solar is viable only on a personal basis when used with passive solar sun etc. When you get into those huge solar plants without engineers or solar experts to take care of what is being collected, it goes belly up. The wind turbines seem okay in small areas, but aren’t substantial for a whole grid to run off of.

Now, this was tried forty years ago and didn’t work either. Is it those who try to run it, or is it that it was meant for the private person, who can implement for personal use and has time to correct any ongoing issues?

Look at billions wasted by taxpayers on those solar companies now closed....of course the democrats got their donations from our money first.


5 posted on 11/22/2014 11:44:04 AM PST by Kackikat
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Solar and such are compromises that are suitable for individuals off grid and military operations for the field, remote sites etc. and all kinds of better than nothings, but not for nations and cities.


6 posted on 11/22/2014 11:44:11 AM PST by ansel12
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Well, you know the old saying........

“Horsepower is work, but torque is one of The MONKEES.”


7 posted on 11/22/2014 11:49:47 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Coal, nuclear, natural gas, and oil.

Anything else is pixie dust.

9 posted on 11/22/2014 11:52:53 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (NO COMPROMISE! NO BIPARTISANSHIP! STOP OBAMA NOW!)
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They started with the wrong idea: to provide *most* energy with renewable resources. The truth is that *some* renewable energy is fine and dandy, but only for *marginal* uses.

Most of the time, marginal uses are less valuable, because primary energy provision is more than adequate, and does a great job at low cost.

However, when there are *peaks* of energy consumption, renewable resources are quite handy. Oddly enough, mostly by making primary energy provision more efficient.


10 posted on 11/22/2014 11:53:13 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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As an M.E., I’ve been saying for decades that widespread wind and solar are pipedreams. Sure, they have their niche, when ready or reliable infrastructure is unavailable. But the physical plant (both space and materials) to extract a low density energy source makes it highly impractical on a large scale.


11 posted on 11/22/2014 11:56:51 AM PST by XEHRpa
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Solar energy. Our fair-weather friend.


12 posted on 11/22/2014 11:57:22 AM PST by omega4412
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"exotic innovations barely on the drawing board, such as self erecting wind turbines, using robotic technology to create new wind farms without human intervention. The result however was total failure – even these exotic possibilities couldn’t deliver the necessary economic model. "

Humans have largely abandoned wind energy except for recreational fun over the last few centuries.

13 posted on 11/22/2014 11:58:52 AM PST by Paladin2
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A 2012 comprehensive life-cycle analysis in Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that almost half the lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery. The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds.

The production of the electric car results in sizeable emissions —the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in a typical gasoline powered vehicle.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324128504578346913994914472


15 posted on 11/22/2014 12:00:25 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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"I genuinely thought that we were maybe a few solar innovations and battery technology breakthroughs away from truly viable solar power. "

Batteries have severely underperformed for the last 100 years or so.

PV is cool modern tech though.

16 posted on 11/22/2014 12:01:02 PM PST by Paladin2
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I must say I’m personally surprised at the conclusion of this study.

That's what happens when drinking Kool-Aid is mistaken for thought.

18 posted on 11/22/2014 12:07:47 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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Wah!!!

No!!!

At least they are honest in their assessment and were willing to publicly acknowldge RE is a not economically viable nor is its vaunted religion.

It simply cannot out produce the energy that goes into the technologies and mostly cannot break even with the power requirements in manufacturing and maintaining such tech.

So sad, too bad, buh bye....

Me Makee Sadee Face...


22 posted on 11/22/2014 12:14:38 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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Liberals and eco freaks will just keep pounding the drum anyway.
24 posted on 11/22/2014 12:20:08 PM PST by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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I dunno. My wife says I generate enough methane (farts) to power a city.


30 posted on 11/22/2014 12:38:48 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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Funny, but animals get along fine using natural sources of renewable energy, as did Native Americans before the European invasion of North America.

The day will come when we will realize that modern technology is only the effort to make more of less, and the less being almost always of inferior quality.

And that there is a limit to how much can be made from a diminishing supply of resources.


32 posted on 11/22/2014 12:42:05 PM PST by Age of Reason
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The key problem appears to be that the cost of manufacturing the components of the renewable power facilities is far too close to the total recoverable energy – the facilities never, or just barely, produce enough energy to balance the budget of what was consumed in their construction.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. That is exactly what myself and legions of other engineers have been saying for years. Yes, I am a big fan of renewable energy sources (ie. the sun, since everything else on earth is finite). However, it really doesn't take too much skull sweat nor online research to figure out that renewable energy with existing technology is not a good idea for mass production/use. All those enviro-whackos promoting widespread adoption of "green" energy are actually, gasp (!), advocating a position that will result in a net increase in environmental harm. Ouch, that's gotta hurt if/when they eventually realize that.

Some day, maybe, probably, we'll have technology available that will make renewable/green energy sources not only economically viable (without artificial government incentives/distortions) and that is actually lower net environment impact than other energy sources. Not there yet. Therefore it is (currently) environmentally irresponsible to promote green energy.

39 posted on 11/22/2014 12:57:37 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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“We now know that to be a false hope … Renewable energy technologies simply won’t work; we need a fundamentally different approach.”

Different approach? How about OIL, NATURAL GAS, COAL......


40 posted on 11/22/2014 1:00:57 PM PST by bayoublazer (Conservative, by reasons of higher cognitive skills!)
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