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Chris Christie's Pig Problem
The Atlantic ^ | 11/12/2014 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 11/19/2014 8:09:56 PM PST by Bettyprob

In New Jersey, a moral drama is unfolding. Governor Chris Christie has presidential ambitions. He'd like to be as popular as possible with Republicans voters in important primary states like New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina. He'd also like to do the right thing—or at least be seen as doing the right thing—when a piece of legislation crosses his desk, demanding a signature or veto.

And those desires are now in conflict.

There's an animal-welfare bill on his desk. Its premise is that slaughtering pigs to be consumed as carnitas or prosciutto or bacon or ham hocks is fine (if not quite kosher), but that confining pregnant pigs to an enclosure so small that they can't even turn around for as long as two and a half years is straightforwardly cruel and immoral.

Signing this law would be unpopular in Iowa, where there are more than 20 million pigs, and pork producers who stand to lose a lot of money if forced to house them more humanely, and who get nervous when government regulators meddle in livestock practices. Signing the bill may well hurt Christie's chances in the Iowa caucuses. Is it nevertheless clear that signing the law is the right thing to do?

Uncommonly so.

Christie has no principled objection to laws against animal cruelty. The New Jersey Legislature, which has studied the matter in much greater depth than the governor, passed the bill by an overwhelming margin and with bipartisan support, even though Christie vetoed an almost identical bill back in 2013. New Jersey voters also support the legislation by a wide margin.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: chrischristie; christie; newjersey; pigs
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Christie vetoed it, just for the record.
1 posted on 11/19/2014 8:09:56 PM PST by Bettyprob
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2 posted on 11/19/2014 8:11:30 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.)
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To: Bettyprob

Oh, so this fat blowhard wants to kiss up to conservatives, does he? He could start by pardoning every otherwise law-abiding person his state has locked up for violating New Jersey’s ridiculous gun laws.

Then he could ask the legislature to reform those same laws to bring them in line with the norms of the rest of the country and the Supreme Court’s definitive reification of our Second Amendment rights.

Until then, he can kiss my @$$.


3 posted on 11/19/2014 8:20:20 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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Oh. I thought they meant this pig problem...

4 posted on 11/19/2014 8:24:57 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Bettyprob

Bacon to go from $6 per pound to $12 per pound.


5 posted on 11/19/2014 8:35:57 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( O magnify the Lord with me, and let us exalt his name together. Ps 34:3)
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To: Bettyprob

It does seem cruel to confine an animal that severely for long periods of time.


6 posted on 11/19/2014 8:48:40 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Bettyprob

I love to read the sites posts. They always bring out the animal loving Leftists. The same Leftest would think nothing of writing a check to Planned Parrenthood or having an abortion, but God forbid a hog is uncomfortable while awaiting slaughter.

Leftists are misanthropes. They love animals, can’t stand people.


7 posted on 11/19/2014 8:51:37 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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Well, it is even crueler to kill and eat them, but I love me a pork butte and ribs so.....


8 posted on 11/19/2014 8:52:36 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Bettyprob
Chris Christie's Pig Problem

Hey, leave his wife out of this.

9 posted on 11/19/2014 8:53:38 PM PST by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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Steve King got the Missouri Democrat AG to join him on the egg lawsuit.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/missouri-ag-challenges-california-egg-law


10 posted on 11/19/2014 8:57:21 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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“If California legislators are permitted to mandate the size of chicken coops on Missouri farms, they may just as easily demand that Missouri soybeans be harvested by hand or that Missouri corn be transported by solar-powered trucks,” Koster said in a statement.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/02/04/missouri-sues-california-over-chicken-regulations/

The lawsuit is the latest effort by a Midwestern politician to fight food regulations in California. Big agricultural interests backed an amendment to the farm bill, authored by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), that would have superseded state laws that set local standards for production; the amendment, which is not included in the final version of the farm bill, was aimed squarely at California regulations.


11 posted on 11/19/2014 9:00:03 PM PST by ObamahatesPACoal
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Can’t wait to see the “Save the Pigs” bumper stickers sitting next to the pro-choice stickers....


12 posted on 11/19/2014 9:37:56 PM PST by mowowie (`)
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Hang on a second. Have you ever heard of a sow being pregnant “up to 2 1/2 years”? Neither have I. They just lied to you.


13 posted on 11/19/2014 9:49:07 PM PST by JimSp
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There's an animal-welfare bill on his desk. Its premise is that slaughtering pigs to be consumed as carnitas or prosciutto or bacon or ham hocks is fine (if not quite kosher), but that confining pregnant pigs to an enclosure so small that they can't even turn around for as long as two and a half years is straightforwardly cruel and immoral.

Pigs are pregnant for two and a half years?

14 posted on 11/19/2014 10:11:47 PM PST by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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Can’t wait to see the “Save the Pigs” bumper stickers sitting next to the pro-choice stickers....

I don't know. That could anger their Muslim overlords.

15 posted on 11/19/2014 10:16:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Ferguson: America's crash course in what 'community organizers' actually do.)
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I’ve been around family hog operations quite a bit. And the idea that a sow is going to be confined in a farrowing crate for two and a half years is laughable.


16 posted on 11/19/2014 10:18:19 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Ferguson: America's crash course in what 'community organizers' actually do.)
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Breeding sows are pregnant for 112-115 days before birth, and I assume they’re bred more than once, so they spend a pretty good length of their lives crammed inside gestation crates.


17 posted on 11/19/2014 10:46:27 PM PST by Bettyprob
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Pregnant sows spend approximately 65% of their life span confined in gestation crates.
1. When gestation crates are combined with the use of farrowing crates (which is typical), breeding sows spend approximately 80% of their life spans in extreme confinement.

https://www.avma.org/About/Governance/Documents/2014S_Resolution7_Sow.pdf

18 posted on 11/19/2014 10:48:59 PM PST by Bettyprob
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Well whatever. But that’s not how they make it sound. They’re trying to make people believe they are cooped up in there for two and half years straight. That’s just not the case. Shoot, they couldn’t even be bred if that were true. lol...


19 posted on 11/19/2014 10:54:35 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Ferguson: America's crash course in what 'community organizers' actually do.)
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To: Veggie Todd
Chris Christie's Pig Problem

Hey, leave his wife out of this.


20 posted on 11/19/2014 10:56:26 PM PST by cynwoody
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