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To: cloudmountain

Sorry, no. FIRST, remove the incentives, for illegals and the rest...get rid of the welfare state, Fed and State (NO property shall be taken...).

Biz are not obligated to do the job the Fed was tasked to accomplish; and 30+million IS an invasion.

Then the States that harbor (’sanctuary cities’). If it was ‘bad’ for AZ, it should be worse for LA, NY, etc. NO Fed. taxpayer $$ to any State/city that flouts the immigration laws (non compliance). Let their citizens know why the gravy train ended.


62 posted on 11/15/2014 6:07:14 PM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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To: i_robot73
Sorry, no. FIRST, remove the incentives, for illegals and the rest...get rid of the welfare state, Fed and State (NO property shall be taken...). Biz are not obligated to do the job the Fed was tasked to accomplish; and 30+million IS an invasion. Then the States that harbor (’sanctuary cities’). If it was ‘bad’ for AZ, it should be worse for LA, NY, etc. NO Fed. taxpayer $$ to any State/city that flouts the immigration laws (non compliance). Let their citizens know why the gravy train ended.

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First you have to get rid of GREED on the part of the farmers who hire the illegals because normal workers get $35.00/hour for picking strawberries. The profit motive drives our economy. How do you get rid of that?

Also, outing sanctuary cities is easy to say but almost impossible to police. Our states and cities simply aren't built for that. Small towns? Easy to monitor but urban areas? I'd like to know HOW those urban centers could be monitored, policed and punished.

30 million IS an invasion. Our borders, both south and north are HUGE and unmanned. No one wants to "sneak" into Canada to live. Wonderful country but it's not here.

The southern border is leaky, to say the least. The USA could go to the former Communist East Germany to ask about walls, guards, dogs, etc., as to how effective they are. People always get through borders. The Mexican coyotes make their living sneaking illegals into the USA, as our southern border has 1,989 miles (Google) of MOSTLY open land. Fences are undermined. Tunnels are dug. The "underground" railway, SO TO SPEAK, is as flourishing as it was in the slave days.

The incentive for Mexicans to work here is directly related to the greed and corruption of the Mexican government. There is no quid pro quo for them. They simply TAKE all the time. Mexican politics aren't going to change any time soon.

As for welfare here, we elected the Democrat/Welfare state TWICE with its leader Barrack Hussein Welfare Obama. He was born and brought up in Honolulu, Hawaii, Hawaii being a HUGE welfare state and that is what he knows.
Americans MIGHT be forgiven for electing him once but TWICE? I LIKED McCain and Palin in 2008. As for 2012, I hardly think I would vote for Romney as Mormons believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. They STILL do today.
How askew is that? It says that Jesus is a created being, like former "light bearer" Lucifer. If ANYONE would believe that, then s/he would believe that Putin is a regular Joe who is really a nice guy.

I think that we DO agree on the basics but only have fairly minor disagreements on the HOW. God bless you i_robot73 but OIL that brain a bit. It's a bit rusty on some parts. :o)

63 posted on 11/16/2014 8:19:33 AM PST by cloudmountain
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