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Interesting thread. I consumed most of it. I absorbed a good portion of it.

Walker sounds problematic on face value. It’s hard to view a guy who is playing the CIA’s game and not find some problems along the way. And yes, I agree I am down-playing some of the atrocities. I don’t like it either.

When you get into these international situations there are conflicts that come up, moral ones. You can have something happen that is terrible, and still have to ignore it for the overall benefit of the mission.

What do you do if some wing-nut commits and atrocity and by pushing for justice, you alienate the government and the whole operation is lost, the nation goes communist?

Carter pulled that sort of thing with the Shah and look what we got for it.

So Walker is a hot mess. We had more troops down there than he said. It was a covert operation. Should we be outraged?

What would have happened if El Salvador did fall? What would have happened if Nicaragua had just been ignored? Isn’t it reasoned to believe proliferation would have taken place?

Kosovo was a massive screw up IMO. Walker’s role in it seems undeniable. He had worked for years as a “yes man”. Along came Kosovo and he was asked to be one again. What a mess.

Anything that had to do with the Clinton administration, that idiot stick Warren Christopher was going to be problematic at best. And here, it was downright loathsome IMO. It was so bad I checked out. It wasn’t going to change, and I just didn’t want to watch the atrocity day after day after day.

As for Walker’s role in it, despicable. I may be able to grasp what an effort is if there is a logical national interest involved, but when it comes to Leftist trying to establish their international credentials with a guy like this, you know it’s going to end badly.

The Left is just flat out craven. I see no rhyme or reason for the bombing, the policies, the whole stinking mess.

Interesting thread. I consumed most of it. I absorbed a good portion of it.

I hope you got to the part about Albert Pike, the 19th Century William Walker ("emperor" of Nicaragua), and the Knights of the Golden Circle (progenitor of the Kuklux Klan). THAT was my point about "families" being more influential than we think. George Herbert Walker was the banker of the St. Louis Fed that was one of the big players at Jekyll Island. Etc.

Carter pulled that sort of thing with the Shah and look what we got for it.

No argument there. The 1955 (IIRC) CIA operation that reinstalled the Shah was a good thing for all concerned.

BTW, the point your are wrestling with is the same as the Iran Contra debacle. There really were bad people in Nicaragua. Reagan had to deal with the situation and he had a leftist Congress that had prohibited his expenditure on such an operation. Yet despite the ephemeral success of expelling Daniel Ortega, there were unintended consequences that do persist.

This is where the power freaks of the world take action "on behalf of the public interest" supposedly out of a sense of noblesse oblige but the powers they accrue develop the entitlement to droit de siegneur.

We're paying for it big time and they didn't ask. Nobody learns that way.