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America’s Newest Destroyer Is Already Outdated
The Diplomat ^ | November 07, 2014 | James R. Holmes

Posted on 11/07/2014 3:48:38 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 11/07/2014 3:48:38 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Generally speaking the time between the concept of a weapons system and it’s actual full deployment is around 10 yrs or more. Since technology advances geometrically it stands to reason by the time a weapon his in production it is already obsolete.

We believed, when I was in the USAF, that once a new fighter is made known to the general public a newer version is already in the works.


2 posted on 11/07/2014 4:00:56 AM PST by billyboy15
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I have no idea whether these criticims are justified or not; does anyone with some Navy experience/nautical savvy know if the ship is as bad as the author claims?

If so, why on Earth did they build it?


3 posted on 11/07/2014 4:08:05 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sounds to me like the US Navy is all set to quash Third World enemies ... something it has much recent experience with. G_d help them against the upgraded Russian or the quickly modernizing Chinese Navies.


4 posted on 11/07/2014 4:09:00 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

2X 155mm guns.
80 missiles

seems adequate


5 posted on 11/07/2014 4:20:08 AM PST by RockyTx
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What horse manure. People are fighting plenty of wars with old equipment. Make do with your “outdated warship” stupid Feds


6 posted on 11/07/2014 4:29:44 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: billyboy15
Generally speaking the time between the concept of a weapons system and it’s actual full deployment is around 10 yrs or more.

Which, as a minimum, tends to apply to both sides of a future conflict.

7 posted on 11/07/2014 4:37:50 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: Jack Hammer

The only reason for the hull’s shape is for reduced radar cross section. This same principle, used on a lesser scale, can be seen on many of the world’s current warships. If you do that well enough, the ship can achieve a rather interesting level of surprise. Beyond that, I’d rather not get into details.


8 posted on 11/07/2014 4:45:52 AM PST by Pecos (That government governs best which governs least.)
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I doubt the article has any merit. The fact that author claims he doesn't have faith in automated fire control damage and was a fire martial shows his lack of cognitive abilities. Automatic sprinklers are 99.9% effective and have been for over 150 years. There are no measurable number of deaths in fully sprinklered buildings. So if he got that wrong he can't get much right.
9 posted on 11/07/2014 4:46:48 AM PST by Clean_Sweep
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I guess automated damage control make sense when we have crews full of gals who do not have the upper body strength to lug the lumber necessary to plug and patch.


10 posted on 11/07/2014 5:02:17 AM PST by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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Blame it on Congress and all of the damn policies you have to follow for starters. Then you move on to the Program Managers that change every 2 - 3 years whose sole purpose is to make their mark by constantly changing requirements. I’ll go back to JSF i.e. F-35. It only took 13 years to do the first carrier landing.


11 posted on 11/07/2014 5:02:48 AM PST by maddog55
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To: RockyTx

Plus coed heads to accommodate the Clinton Navy’s goals.


12 posted on 11/07/2014 5:03:55 AM PST by MSF BU (Support the troops: Join Them.)
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To: Pecos

Brings up an interesting point: can they make “stealth” ships, like the way they make “stealth” airplanes?


13 posted on 11/07/2014 5:08:34 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Clean_Sweep

I see. Thanks.

It looks like a nice ship to my (admittedly uneducated) eye.


14 posted on 11/07/2014 5:09:46 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I don’t recall the Monitor having any tumblehome at all. Now the Merrimac (or Virginia, if you prefer) did. This author is an idiot.


15 posted on 11/07/2014 5:20:05 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Hogwash. Somebody is trying to create controversy where there is none.

This hull design has been tested and retested on computers and models. This is a reliable, proven method that’s been used by the Navy for a long time. They chose this profile for it’s ability to deflect radar AND sea keeping ability.

The ship was not designed around guns and NGFS. She is primarily a missile platform. It’s easy to forget that because VLS hides all those weapons. She’s not only useful parked 20 miles off a coast.


16 posted on 11/07/2014 5:33:47 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Jack Hammer

She’s a fine asset. The article is garbage.


17 posted on 11/07/2014 5:36:52 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Neither of them did. The Virginia looked like it did above the water line but only because her superstructure was angled back to deflect cannon shot. Below the waterline she had a conventional hull.


18 posted on 11/07/2014 5:40:29 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I had a history professor tell me once that the biggest misnomer in military studies is tge term “obsolete weaponry”.


19 posted on 11/07/2014 6:12:45 AM PST by arderkrag (NO ONE IS OUT TO GET YOU.)
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To: Clean_Sweep

The concern with the fire suppression system is legitimate. On the Zumwalt, it is Halon-based, which is very effective under normal circumstances but fails if the hull is breached — a high likelihood for a ship of the line.

A lot of the other criticisms are armchair-admiral second-guessing.


20 posted on 11/07/2014 6:16:54 AM PST by IronJack
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