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Investment & Finance Thread Market Rally Progress Report
Weekly investment & finance thread ^ | Nov. 2, 2014 | Freeper Investors

Posted on 11/02/2014 9:30:08 AM PST by expat_panama

Investment & Finance Thread Market Rally Progress Report

Stocks are up and metals are down. 

Details: major stock indexes have been showing a run up for the past three weeks --enough time to look at trading patterns.  The past two uptrends (w/ both the NASDAQ and the S&P500) seemed to come in two parts, a 3-4 week burst followed by a month & a half stalling before the drop off.  OK, so there's no law that says the current run-up has to follow suit but what we know is that for the next week prices within the trendlines are "business as usual".

Not much help from the pundits because they're taking all sides.   Makes it difficult to get good input either in the form of sage advice or as a stupid-pundit contrarian indicator.

  Stocks Zoom, Confirming Morici’s Prediction I have written that the fundamentals of capital formation and stock market valuations have changed, and indicate stocks are capable of maintaining a much higher P/E ratio than that historical average going forward.
U.S. Recovery Is the Envy Of the World - Chico Harlan, Washington Post
Obama's Incompetence Explains The Poor Recovery - Editorial, Investor's
Latest Rebound Says Bear Isn't In the Cards - Mark Hulbert, MarketWatch
The World's Richest Are Bullish On the U.S. - Margaret Collins, Bloomberg
 

As for metals the chaotic downtrends show few repeating patterns, so we're still looking at a decline that began at the 2011 top.  If anyone sees a decent pattern they're sure welcome to MicrosoftPaint some trendlines and share.

In the mean time let's see what Tuesday's elections do --remembering that past Democrat surprise victories were followed by 10 - 20% stock losses.

This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here and tomorrow morning we'll go on with our--

Open invitation continues always for idea-input for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.   Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket, economy.

 


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1 posted on 11/02/2014 9:30:08 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ...

Havin' fun while it lasts ping.

2 posted on 11/02/2014 9:32:20 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
It's been going up in anticipation of GOP control of the Senate.

To trade around Election Day, I think it's useful to study what happened in 2010:


3 posted on 11/02/2014 9:51:01 AM PST by oblomov
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To: oblomov

You’re absolutely right —wish I’d have thought of that but I’m glad to see it now. That makes election day a perfect day for a top, it’s the 3 week rally plus the election day slough off.


4 posted on 11/02/2014 9:54:23 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Agreed- Election Day give or take a day.

It will be a good time to get hedges on, to hold until early December.

The recent rally has been sharper than what was experienced in 2010, so I expect the pullback to be faster and more gut-wrenching.

The rally isn’t mindless, as some contrarians are saying. Global markets are pricing in an unwinding of the “covered call” that Obama’s policies have imposed on the economy (an analogy of the Bernanke/Yellen put).

That said, I would never expect a market to go straight up, or down.


5 posted on 11/02/2014 10:08:14 AM PST by oblomov
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To: A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ...

Good morning and a happy new week & new month!     Traders are starting out uncertain w/ metals mixed up and stock indexes mixed/off.   Reports this morning:  ISM Index, Construction Spending and in the afternoon Auto and Truck Sales. Morning reading:


6 posted on 11/03/2014 2:40:08 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

“World Trade Center reopens for business”

As I recall we set out to show how resilient we were. 13 years later.....


7 posted on 11/03/2014 4:54:56 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

What I remember is that building the new one didn’t take as long as arguing about it.


8 posted on 11/03/2014 5:29:20 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Absolutely. That is the way we do everything now. We used to decide to do something and then we did it. Now we debate it forever.


9 posted on 11/03/2014 5:38:12 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: expat_panama
What?! No comments on the weird move in natty overnight? A 2-sigma+ move on essentially no new news except "winter is coming" doesn't rate a comment from you, Pete?

Hmmm...

10 posted on 11/03/2014 6:45:36 AM PST by SAJ
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To: expat_panama

Gold Slumps to Multiyear Low
By APARNA NARAYANAN, INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY

http://news.investors.com/103114-724594-bank-of-japan-move-impacts-precious-metals.htm?ven=yahoocp&src=aurlled&ven=yahoo


11 posted on 11/03/2014 7:13:21 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Islam/ISIS = The Ebola of religious/political ideologies!)
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To: SAJ
...A 2-sigma+ move on essentially no new news ...

Please help me out here, I'm having a hard enough time just keeping up w/ daylight saving time.  You mean "Natty Investments"?

12 posted on 11/03/2014 7:46:46 AM PST by expat_panama
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13 posted on 11/03/2014 7:47:54 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Grampa Dave

Huh. We were just talking at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3222397/posts?page=6#6 about how gold was supposed to be at $3K/oz today...


14 posted on 11/03/2014 7:49:14 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Sure. Huge NG move overnight, roughly 2.1 sigma. On NO new news, basically a "winter is on its way" meme. Well, duh.

We're going to have another 80+ build in supply this week (Thursday am) which will/should take the wind out of the sails of these premature bulls. For the season, we're about 200B cuft under the 5yr avg, so that is somewhat bullish.

Continued colder-than avg temps in the NE (because that is the only area that "counts" to the NYMEX boys) will ultimately BE bullish, and I will join the crowd...but NOW?? First week in Nov?? Somebody's jacking the mkt around.

Helpful, I hope?

15 posted on 11/03/2014 9:29:03 AM PST by SAJ
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To: A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ...
 

Tuesday, November 4, 2014

Markets   yesterday   today
metals   Gold trading at $1,169.5 & silver to $16.13   Futures @ 4 hrs. before opening -0.75%
       
stocks   Flat in higher volume.   Futures +0.12%

--w/ the only reports this morning being Trade Balance and Factory Orders.   Welcome to hold-your-breath Tuesday!


16 posted on 11/04/2014 2:59:27 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Been warning on oil prices for a while now...


17 posted on 11/04/2014 5:25:44 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: SAJ

hey guy, I’m up at the CR border wishing you were here! OK, you’re glad ur not, but I still haven’t gotten the NATTY info so if u got links it wud be nice.

cheers!


18 posted on 11/04/2014 6:58:20 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Behold the dreaded "Vomiting Camel" pattern in gold...


19 posted on 11/04/2014 10:05:18 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Gold? Vomiting camel? Sounds right.

Anyway, what I was noticing was that it was the inverse of the classic "buy point" that IBD's always raving about. I've heard that buy signals can often be inverted and used as sell signals.

20 posted on 11/04/2014 12:17:15 PM PST by expat_panama
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