Posted on 10/31/2014 8:19:03 AM PDT by C19fan
A new video about street harassment has gone viral and it proves that . . . how do I put this? It proves that I was right.
The video, released by the nonprofit anti-street-harassment organization Hollaback, features a moderately attractive woman, Shoshana Roberts, wearing jeans and a T-shirt, walking in silence through Manhattan for ten hours. The trek was recorded on a hidden video camera, carried by Roberts’s boyfriend, who walked in front of her. The camera picked up over 100 instances of street harassment in one day, according to the group, ranging in severity from men shouting “good morning,” and “how you doing today?” to men following her for several minutes, walking uncomfortably close.
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The only time my cats come when called is chow time. Other than that, they just ignore my calls.
Only if you’re black, apparently.
Look if you dess like a modest biker chick .. (because biker chicks know simple tees and jeans work ) ..
Expect biker type guy reaction...(hey baby. .looking good)..
Red blooded heterosexualty men response to the female body curves...
So it you want those men to notice you less.. dress “pretty” and “cute” for other women like most women do...
Those men find that boring..
I agree.
Yep. I have noticed that about our cat.
The men who cat-called her were mostly more polite than I generally had to deal with in my youth.
I liked a wolf-whistle, I would have liked a “Hey, beautiful.” “How you doing?” and “Hello” no problem.
I used to get “Shake that a—” and “Great t-—” “Wanna f-—” Ugh. Me, modest, shy, shamed, cringing teenager who unwillingly developed like Mae West, not on purpose to attract male attention.
“Smile” “Smile, why you frowning like that.” HATED those. I might be really sad over something, and I was supposed to be pleasing to any random stranger? Last time it happened, I was 38, and I snarled back, “because I miscarried my baby last week.” From his face it would be a while before he tried that line again.
I was so glad to get out to the suburbs and away from 90% of the catcalls and crudeness. That means, away from that kind of black men. So glad to get a car and away from public transportation. So relieved that having a baby in my arms actually invoked some decency and respect.
“there is nothing stopping conservative activists from duplicating the method and publishing their results.”
Yup, like the anti-food-business movie “Supersize Me” (where narrator proceeds to gorge himself on McDonald’s high-calorie products and acts surprised when he gets fat), followed by counter-movies “Fat Head” and “Me and Mickey D’s” (which independently show narrators who likewise eat at McDonalds exclusively for a month (or more) and _lose_ substantial weight).
I have 34 DD TaTas. I didn’t ask for them. They just showed up.
Does that mean I deserved to be harassed when I was young?
It’s not your job to charge someone when you call 911. “There’s a creep following me, I can’t shake him, and I’m getting scared of what he’ll do” is sufficient. Police (at least good & proper ones) are interested in deterring crime, not just cleaning up evidence thereafter.
I don’t think it is possible for a man to approach a random attractive woman on the street with honorable intentions. Formal introductions used to be required for any contact.
That’s obviously not followed anymore, but do you seriously contend any of these men had what used to be called “honorable intentions,” that is, formal courtship followed possibly by marriage?
FYI, just wanting to get into a woman’s pants are, or were, considered dishonorable intentions.
Does the video show all 108 incidents?
If not, I contend she went to extraordinary lengths to acquire just enough low-life/slimy behaviors on video to make a disingenuous summary imputing bad behavior where it doesn’t exist.
I agree with many of the other posters that, this is a case of feminist chickens coming home to roost, except for the fact that feminists don’t see this as a bad thing since they can use it as another cudgel against men.
Respect for all people, but particularly women (in my opinion) is something that comes from your upbringing.
I consider myself a “red blooded man”, but I will go out of my way NOT to outwardly “ogle” a woman or make a spectacle of it. That doesn’t mean I haven’t seen a woman who looks so attractive that I haven’t turned my head to watch her from behind as she continues on her way.
But if I am within her field of view, I will go out of my way to consciously NOT scan her body. Not because I would be embarrassed or un-embarrassed about checking out her appearance or attributes, but because it would be disrespectful of her to cause her to be aware of it.
This can be somewhat humorous with my wife when we are out and about. If an attractive woman enters my field of view, and I am with my wife, I will not even do more than register her, because that would be disrespectful of my wife. However, my wife will sometimes squeeze my hand, and say something like “That was an eyeful, eh?”
To that, I must answer with an unknowing look and a faux puzzled “What?”
She knows that I must have seen the woman. I know that I saw the woman. But I must not look, and she must pretend that I am getting so crusty and worn by my advancing age that women don’t interest me anymore...:)
She usually says (with a knowing smirk) something like “You must be getting blind as well as old. Oh well. I always told you, I married you, I didn’t scratch your eyes out. But, if you ever do more than look...”
But as I stated earlier, if you grow up in a household where there is no father, or the father treats women disrespectfully, or the mother doesn’t teach their boys the importance of being a gentleman towards women, then the behavior will be gawking, catcalling, lewdness and general disrespect.
My father treated my mother with great respect (even though they may have quarreled and argued like cats and dogs on occasion) and he made it clear that we should behave as gentlemen. My mother also taught us that women are to be treated with special respect, different from men. They taught us old school, that women WERE different (in a good way) and DESERVED a special type of respect apart from anything we might afford another man. Call it placing them on a pedestal, or call it what you will, but they were both clear about it. And I think my brothers and I all adhered to it. None of us have been divorced, and have good relationships with our wives.
I think that is missing nowadays. Call it outdated, call it old-fashioned, or call it neanderthal, to treat women in that fashion. But I still do.
Just as only Jewish men and those of Northern European ancestry seem to like Asian women built like boys. You never see an Italian, Greek, or Portuguese guy with an Asian woman.
Are you the type of person who thinks Brooklyn is dominated by hipsters? White yipsters (yuppies and hipsters) make up, at best, 15% of Brooklyn’s population, but don’t tell that to to (liberal and secretly racist) commentariat.
How very WASPy of you. ;)
It's all about the base...
“so you think that the behavior of the males in the video is acceptable?”
OK, I didn’t want to increment the view count but finally watched the video.
It’s 2 minutes long. About 30 seconds of it is actual objectionable behavior, and much of that dwells on 2 idiots who were actually a problem; the rest is
either filler material (lead-in, setup, comments, outro) or men making nice
comments to a woman who is in fact trolling for them (tight black outfit on curvy body, “American Eagle” brand written on butt, “attainable” desirable looks, actual actress).
So: out of TEN HOURS of looking for trouble, all she proved is of the few people who make any comment at all, most are pleasant or complementary, a few are rude, and just a couple (out of how many thousands?) are actionable.
Ultimately I think this type of treatment of women is part of (and not that far from) a continuum of behaviour and attitudes towards women like that seen in Arab/Muslim countries. That women basically exist for the amusement of men, and any woman who appears in public unescorted and wearing something “revealing” (which varies with culture - in some Muslim countries anything other than a full on body bag is considered “revealing” and “slutty”) is basically asking for unwanted attention from men.
Like you, I’m certainly not blind, and I certainly notice an attractive and/or sexy woman when I see one, but I don’t think approaching them on the street with cheesy one-liners while ogling them head to toe is appropriate behaviour for a civilized man. Maybe I’m too civilized - I don’t know - but I know that most men here wouldn’t look to kindly to their wives, girlfriends, daughters, etc being approached like this on the street.
You can gain an idea about the societal norms when the movie was shot, just by the way some scenes are filmed. (This scene I will relate was not a Hollywood fantasy, as Ted Lawson did narrate it explicitly in his book) 
There is a scene where his newly wed wife shows up unexpectedly in a training area to visit him. As he walks her back to her car, there are dozens (seems like hundreds) of young servicemen who simply and outwardly gawk and grin at her, making occasional whistles. He tries to walk her to a less "populated" place, but every corner the walk around, they are greeted by more crowds of men. Almost as if the word got out that there was an attractive woman on the base...
She blushingly smiles with seeming good nature (as does her exasperated husband, with less of a smile) the men seem to follow them both around, but...it seems like that is just the way things were. She accepts it, he accepts it, and all the men do too.
There is nothing evil about it...but you get the idea she simply expected it.
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