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CDC Says Ebola Droplets Can Only Travel 3 Feet … But MIT Research Shows Sneezes Can Travel Up to 20
zero hedge ^ | 10/28/14 | tyler durden

Posted on 10/28/2014 9:43:18 AM PDT by Nachum

This week, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that Ebola can travel through the air in aerosols, but claims that it can never go more than 3 feet.

Let's check their math ...

CDC (like the World Health Organization) admits that Ebola can be spread through sneezing or coughing.

But the CDC itself admits that flu droplets can travel 6 feet.

Mythbusters demonstrated that sneezes can nail people some 17 feet away:

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cdc; ebola; ebolatransmission; sneeze; sneezing
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To: bgill

The same ones who can’t figure out how to collapse an umbrella to pass under an arch. I think the clinical term is “Moron”.


41 posted on 10/28/2014 11:24:24 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: katana; bgill
The same ones who can’t figure out how to collapse an umbrella to pass under an arch. I think the clinical term is “Moron”.


42 posted on 10/28/2014 11:34:31 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: Paine in the Neck

That’s too funny!!


43 posted on 10/28/2014 11:38:36 AM PDT by Duckdog (If it wasn't for NASCAR my TV would have gone out the window years ago!)
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To: Nachum

EBOLA PANIC IN THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT...!!!

Soldiers returning home from Ebola infested African countries are quarantine 21 days in Italy before entering U.S.

430 doctors and nurses died killed by the disease while treating Ebola patients in Africa...

Some African countries put 42 days in quarantine those coming from Ebola countries.

Why are health care workers from Ebola countries not forced to be at least 21 days in quarantine when they return to U.S.A. for the protection of their own families and the country?


44 posted on 10/28/2014 11:57:48 AM PDT by Dqban22
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To: Paine in the Neck

LOLLOL!


45 posted on 10/28/2014 12:01:27 PM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: Alter Kaker
It doesn't have to be airborne for somebody to be infected by respiratory transmission.

It only takes 3-10 virions to infect a patient. The ebola virus is encapsulated and its size is about 70nm x 1400nm long.

The HEPA filter standard is to filter paticulate matter down to 0.3 microns at about 99.97% efficiency.

An infected ebola patient in an advanced stage, near death, have been reported to have concentrations of 3.2 million virions per droplet of blood. Of those 3.2million virions, the most risky are those which in cells which have replicated to the point of rupturing the cell walls and not contained, or free to flow in the environment of the cell. Say, 1,000 to 100,000 of the virions might be in that stage. The infected person breathing normally, is likely to exhale 100,000 particles/minute at >/=0.3 microns when they are fully at rest (sitting or sleeping).

It wouldn't be surprising for a human to exhale thousands of virions/minute whereever he is located.

It might be argued a person who is infected, with fewer symptoms, presenting a healthy appearance, is more likely to spread the contagion to others at a distance of 20 ft, simply because they might speak and breath more heartily, introducing particulate matter into the airstream to travel naturally a greater distance before it is filtered or disinfected by heat, UV or chemcical disinfection.

THink of it this way. If you can smell somebody's body odor, breath, or clothes from several feet to 20 feet away, you can also catch ebola from that same distance.

46 posted on 10/28/2014 12:04:11 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
THink of it this way. If you can smell somebody's body odor, breath, or clothes from several feet to 20 feet away, you can also catch ebola from that same distance.

Agreed. I have said from the beginning if you can smell the vomit or diarrhea, then you are consuming it.
47 posted on 10/28/2014 12:35:19 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Nachum

Apparently it can travel all the way from Africa!


48 posted on 10/28/2014 12:37:15 PM PDT by 3boysdad (The very elect.)
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To: RummyChick
And yet a SCIENTIST on Freerepublic keeps claiming that not only do you have to be within 3 feet of the person you have to be in that 3 feet for a PROLONGED time

Depends entirely on the patient and their stage. If one of us spent a few seconds in the room with Duncan as he died we would probably have been infected. Earlier his GF and apartment dwellers and the GF's daughter and family were around him for extended periods and did not get infected. That outcome is entirely personal. Duncan might have never sneezed or politely sneezed into his arm. He might have washed his hands well. We have no idea except the generality that earlier stage victims shed fewer viruses.

49 posted on 10/28/2014 1:29:42 PM PDT by palmer (Thank you for your patience.)
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To: SpaceBar
hat should have already burned itself out

The reason it has not is that it spreads slowly.

50 posted on 10/28/2014 1:30:45 PM PDT by palmer (Thank you for your patience.)
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To: RummyChick
And yet a SCIENTIST on Freerepublic keeps claiming that not only do you have to be within 3 feet of the person you have to be in that 3 feet for a PROLONGED time.

There is no doubt a modified bell curve of infection probability with increasing distance with most of the integral within 3 feet. In other words, most infections occur with a meter or so.

51 posted on 10/28/2014 1:34:07 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: steve86

And, of course, time exposed acts as a multiplicative factor on the distance probability.


52 posted on 10/28/2014 1:35:26 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: steve86

Sorry, the middle of the bell curve is at zero distance or the direct contact point.


53 posted on 10/28/2014 1:40:41 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Nachum

That’s what I was referring to...they can disappear the patients, but outside of threatening healthcare workers, we’d still be hearing about more than one or two.


54 posted on 10/28/2014 1:56:41 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: Alter Kaker
Correct. I've seen some mighty impressive projectile vomiting, but 20 feet is a stretch. Since sneezing isn't a symptom not sure why we should care how far a hypothetical sneeze could carry ebola.

Sneezing is a symptom of the common cold and flu. With 10,000 diagnosed cases of Ebola (estimated 25,000 actual cases, roughly 1/4 of them still active), isn't there a chance that a few of them also have a cold? Or allergies? Or the flu (with flu season starting)? I'll agree that 20 feet is long range, but 3 feet is not realistic in the other direction.

55 posted on 10/28/2014 3:43:19 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: palmer

Ebola is highly infectious at certain stages but not, thankfully, highly contagious because it is not easily aerosolized. If it ever mutates to a contagion like influenza it wll be lights out Irene because if we know anything from the few cases brought here it is that our medical communit is grossly unprepared for a highly contagious and infectious virus with mortality rates greater than 50%.


56 posted on 10/28/2014 3:50:18 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Alter Kaker
Saying that Ebola can’t carry though the air has always seemed ridiculous to me. Just because it seems ridiculous to you doesn't mean that you're right. If ebola were truly airborne, we would expect to see a LOT more people with ebola.

If you're comparing it to the flu or a cold it's not a good comparison. There are hundreds of strains of the flu and cold so when a bunch of people are sick they're not all sick from the same strain. The one strain of ebola going around right now, the Zaire strain, is the only one. But it's just as easy to catch it as it is to catch any single strain of cold or flu virus. And it's caught in pretty much the same way.

57 posted on 10/28/2014 3:54:01 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Alter Kaker
I've seen some mighty impressive projectile vomiting, but 20 feet is a stretch.

Here is a link to a paper by the MIT researchers: http://math.mit.edu/~bush/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Sneezing-JFM.pdf. This paper was published in J. Fluid Mech. (2014), vol. 745, pp. 537-563. copyright Cambridge University Press 2014 doi:10.1017/jfm.2014.88. The MIT publication Technology Review had a recent article about the research, but the Journal of Fluid Mechanics paper above contains more details.

The Journal of Fluid Mechanics paper indicates that very small sneeze/cough droplets tend to become part of a buoyant cloud and consequently might travel many meters. The paper does not discuss Ebola or how far Ebola might be transmitted in a cough or sneeze. However, considering the small size of Ebola virons and the findings of the MIT authors' sneeze/cough research, there may be cause to worry.

Figure 18(b) of the paper shows that a 30 micron (i.e., 30 micrometers or 30,000 nanometers) sized sneeze/cough droplet can travel almost 8 feet before it falls out. A 30 micron sneeze/cough particle could contain one or more infective Ebola virons. The paper cites other work showing that the majority of droplets in a cough are less than 30 microns in size. The paper says that a 10 micron size sneeze/cough particle can remain in the buoyant section of a sneeze/cough cloud many meters from the person coughing.

This link (Link) cites the CDC for Ebola viron sizes indicating that infective Ebola virons need only be 0.97 microns large (i.e., 970 nanometers). Ebola virons can range up to 14 microns in size (i.e., 14,000 nanometers). These sizes suggest that infective Ebola virons could be carried by small sneeze/cough droplets.

All of this assumes that the air passages of the lungs, nose, or throat of a person infected with Ebola contain infective Ebola virons that might be expelled in sneeze/cough droplets.

58 posted on 10/29/2014 1:32:15 PM PDT by rustbucket
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