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Rev. Graham: Obama’s Wrong, Islam ‘Is a False Religion’
CNS ^ | October 27, 2014 | Michael W. Chapman

Posted on 10/28/2014 7:04:35 AM PDT by xzins

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To: Zionist Conspirator

Whoa! That’s a big statement! But then again, we did not have so much mooslime atrocities in the news back then.


41 posted on 10/28/2014 8:27:35 AM PDT by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The Graham organization has always been admirably free of corruption and the usual varieties of failing. Impeccable men of honor who choose to speak the truth. Some just cannot tolerate what even their eyes see.

I hope that organization can somehow survive an encroaching all powerful federal government.


42 posted on 10/28/2014 8:29:45 AM PDT by whistleduck
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To: xzins

He may as well have said the rest;that Barack Obama has been “fundamentally mistaken” every time his lips moved. It is a kinder way of expressing the truth than many might use.


43 posted on 10/28/2014 8:40:41 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Phillyred

Never trust a Jesuit.

44 posted on 10/28/2014 8:48:01 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: xzins

RE: Rev. Graham: Obama’s Wrong, Islam ‘Is a False Religion’

The father would never be as straightforward as the son, but hey, someone’s gotta tell the truth.

The only problem is this — how’s this going to affect his organization’s work in Muslim countries?


45 posted on 10/28/2014 8:54:00 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Vigilanteman

“The only place I would disagree with the good Rev. Graham is that I’m not even sure that radical Islam is a religion.”

This is the discussion that needs to begin in America as it has begun and advanced in Europe.

Islam is a system of government. It’s not a religion.

One of the most important elements of a religion is that it is voluntary. Islam has a death penalty.

In the US, we agreed upon and adhere to (more or less) a justice system based on a documented legal process that uses laws that were ultimately voted on and agreed to by its citizens.

In Islam, there’s sharia law, which is the only system of jurisprudence recognized by Muslims. Islam doesn’t recognize or adhere to any other system of governance or jurisprudence than the one established by Islam.

And there is no ‘radical’ Islam. Just Islam. After 9/11, Aaron Sorkin tried to educate people on this point in one of the West Wing episodes, equating jihadists to the KKK.

The comparison was pretty weak at best, but at the time nobody questioned it and most bought it because the shock of what had happened was overwhelming enough. To contemplate a system of governance that threatened to compete with our Constitutional form of government wasn’t anything anybody was prepared to do.

The Fort Hood ‘Workplace Violence’ charade will probably be considered the ultimate piece of purposeful apology for something that is actually identical to, and more committed to in the long term, anything that Hitler had hoped to achieve.

Both movements blamed the Jews for the conditions both had brought upon themselves. Both sought the annihilation of NOT JUST the Jews, but anyone outside the movement.

I’ve seen schoolkids ask, “What in the world were people thinking in the 30’s and 40’s while all of this was being perpetrated by essentially one man at a podium?”

They will be asking the same thing of us, only Islam has so many more people running interference for it at so many different podiums. I submit that the world’s pre-eminent apologist for Islam in the world today is the President of the United States. He’s the face of modern Islam in the world. He spends more time explaining and apologizing for their actions and inactions. He obfuscates the obvious, such as implying that ISIL has nothing to do with Islam, though the first two words of the acronym is ‘Islamic State’.

In the US, I believe that the only way to begin a rational and peaceful resistance to the Islamic hegemony is for the courts to begin to rule that Islam is a competing system of governance and laws, and as such no longer enjoys the protections of the 1st Amendment. The irony, of course, is that so many wouldn’t hesitate to strip the Tea Party’s 1st Amendment rights, but would have real trouble - agnostic or atheist though they be - stripping Islam of their 1A rights.

All of that hinges on the two aspects of Islam that render it a government:

1. Believers have no right to quit the faith. Quitters are killed.
2. Islam sees the world in terms of its adherents, and those people who’s only options are 1) Convert, 2) Die, or 3) Defend themselves.

We may lament the retreat of family and Christian values from our society, but at least people chose that path freely. Nobody held a knife at their throat and said, “Accept Mohammed or I will cut your head off.”


46 posted on 10/28/2014 9:12:12 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: xzins
Preach It, Brother!

47 posted on 10/28/2014 9:15:14 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: N. Theknow

Whore of Babylon?


48 posted on 10/28/2014 9:17:43 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

700 years after Jesus Christ walked this earth , and after all remnants of his church, priesthood authority and fullness of his word was taken from God’s earth Satan posessed Mohammed and invented islam. Satan calling himself allah put himself at the head of this perversion and called it religion. Satan is allah.Submission to allah is evil and wrong.


49 posted on 10/28/2014 9:17:52 AM PDT by WilliamRobert (We are doomed if good men stand by and do nothing.)
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To: WilliamRobert

Christ said He’d build His church and that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Therefore, all manner of restorationist theology and restorationist denominations from the late 1700’s and early 1800’s is premised on something Christ said wouldn’t happen.


50 posted on 10/28/2014 9:22:39 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Barry is a false president.


51 posted on 10/28/2014 9:28:08 AM PDT by Old Yeller (D.A.M.N. - Deport All Muslims Now! Starting in the White House.)
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To: whistleduck
Saw an interview of Billy not more than a three years ago. I was impressed. He made it clear that endorsing Nixon had been a mistake, even though he felt McGovern would have been an abject disaster for the country.

Not much more than a year later, he took out those full page adds backing the GOP without mentioning Romney or any other GOP candidate by name. It was sadly clear that he felt this was the last exit the country could take off on the highway to hell.

I hope he wasn't right. But if we have too many election surprises (especially in evangelical majority states such as Louisiana, Colorado, Georgia, Iowa or Kansas especially) and/or too much cooperation in the lame-duck session, then it will be pretty clear that he was.

52 posted on 10/28/2014 9:32:11 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Excellent summary.


53 posted on 10/28/2014 9:43:53 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: xzins
There is only one way to view everything the Muslim currently in the White Hut has said during the past 7 years...........

Lips moving out comes lies


54 posted on 10/28/2014 9:58:40 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: xzins

Was viewing part of a discussion of the Islamic terrorist threat and a muslim woman stood up to decry that there aren’t any muslims on the panel and how it is an ideology that is being challenged, that bombs won’t defeat it.

She rattled off the statistic that there are 1,8billion muslims in the world.

Funny how the terrorists are never REAL muslims but they are always quick to count them as muslims when they need to boost the numbers up.


55 posted on 10/28/2014 9:59:52 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Hey Obama: If Islamic State is not Islamic, then why did you give Osama Bin Laden a muslim funeral?)
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To: xzins

” questioned why peaceful Muslims do not collectively condemn jihadist terrorism”

Simple....they quietly sympathize with them. Muslims are a scourge on the entire world.


56 posted on 10/28/2014 10:00:51 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens. KILL THE BILL!)
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To: Vigilanteman

That’s been my point all along. Islam is much less a religion, altho strict adherents make it one in the same sense that a cult might be, than it is a form of tribal governance. The koran makes it clear that it wants to control all aspects of community life, not just a means to personal salvation. The simple fact that mooslimes want God referred to as allah means , first , that they want everybody speaking arabic. That’s not religion. Thats a cult. Worse, rather than codifying a set of civil laws to govern themselves, they want the ability to make it up as they go such that leadership can adjust the rules as needed to keep themselves in power. And it works as long as the oil money holds out. But as long as they’re focused on killing each other I’m just saying “you go, muckmood.”


57 posted on 10/28/2014 10:22:27 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I don't disagree but there are Prots/Evangelicals that believe its merely some theological disputes, and other groups that believe that Catholics aren't even Christian.

In addition, I have a lot in common morally with Evangelicals as compared to denominations with women bishops, gay bishops, and who approve abortion. While I think that the (orthodox) Catholic approach is the "correct" one (or anti-Prot as you call it), I have a lot of respect for the integrity of Christians who have similar moral beliefs.

Is that a newsflash for you?

58 posted on 10/28/2014 10:25:15 AM PDT by Patriotic1 (Dic mihi solum facta, domina - Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Patriotic1; WilliamRobert
Both well expressed views even if, by logical definition, you can't both be 100% correct.

I would say your respective camps have the strongest claims out there, but would also include the true nondenominational (as opposed to those who just call themselves nondenominational) into that mix.

I would define the true nondenominational as the theological followers of Jan Hus, the first reformationist.

59 posted on 10/28/2014 10:34:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Patriotic1

I have not read that but if Benedict referred to Islam as “revealed” then it most certainly is resistive to reformation ... It would seem that the God of Islam is real and supernatural as well. We are truly engaged in both a physical and supernatural battle.


60 posted on 10/28/2014 10:54:18 AM PDT by Medjman
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