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CRUDE OIL BREAKS $80: GOING DOWN!
Business Insider ^ | 10/27/2014 | Myles Udland

Posted on 10/27/2014 7:49:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Crude oil just broke $80.

In morning trade on Monday, the price of crude oil fell below $80 a barrel for the first time since mid-2012 as energy prices continue to plummet around the world.

The most recent drop in oil, which has been a bear market since topping out at about $107 during the summer, follows a cut in oil-price expectations from Goldman Sachs' Jeff Currie over the weekend.

Currie took his oil-price forecasts for WTI Crude to $75 a barrel in the first quarter of 2015 and to $70 a barrel in the second quarter of next year.

Longer-term, Currie expects WTI prices to stabilize near $80 a barrel, and Currie said that "uncertainty around the required price to slow down US shale production growth is a key risk to our forecast."

Currie's forecast relies on three key reasons:

* We have greater confidence in the scale and sustainability of US shale oil production. This implies that the global cost curve has shifted lower and that cost deflation is sustainable.

* We forecast that accelerating non-OPEC production growth outside North America will outpace demand growth, leaving the global oil market oversupplied.

* We believe that OPEC will no longer act as the first-mover swing producer and that US shale oil output will be called upon to fill this role.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crudeoil; energy; oil; oilprice
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To: Resolute Conservative
Last week gasoline by me was down to $2.89/gallon. The suddenly, magically overnight it went up to $3.24/gal. No reason, no "supply disruptions" or refinery issues reported, just a big price spike, this while oil prices have been on their way down.

In the week since, gas has dropped a whopping nickel a gallon by me while the price of oil per barrel continues to go down.

Right, we're not getting ripped off by big oil. No pricing manipulation going on here! Why, that can't be the case when EVERYONE raised their prices at the same time and EVERYONE lowered the price a whopping nickel AT THE SAME TIME! (/sarc)

81 posted on 10/27/2014 10:06:14 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Dusty Road

Can you conceive of a well already drilled and in production that didn’t pay to keep pumping at $80?


82 posted on 10/27/2014 10:07:20 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: usconservative

Where are you located?


83 posted on 10/27/2014 10:09:19 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

Depends on the wells and what they are producing.

If you have to produce a lot of salt water to get the oil your electric cost plus the salt water disposal cost, even with your own disposal well, can take a bite out of your ass quick.

Most of those wells aren’t shut in they are just put on timers so you can keep the lease without having to pay shut in cost to the mineral owner.


84 posted on 10/27/2014 10:41:31 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
plus the salt water disposal cost

Thanks for that. I wasn't thinking about that side of it. But I understand that quantity can be large relative to the oil.

just put on timers so you can keep the lease

Okay, that makes more sense. Thanks for the info.

85 posted on 10/27/2014 10:45:31 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

You can generally tell if a well is on a timer by looking at the polish rod.

If it’s real shiny and doesn’t have a coat of dust on it when not pumping, it’s probably on a timer and pumping when you don’t see it.


86 posted on 10/27/2014 10:56:35 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Are wells sometimes placed on timers due to flow conditions and not associated with cost?


87 posted on 10/27/2014 11:00:02 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

Yep.

Sometimes you can out-pump the fluid coming into the well so you just put it on a timer and pump maybe 15-30 minutes then let it sit for an hour or 2 or however long it takes for the fluid to come in then pump again.


88 posted on 10/27/2014 11:08:32 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Is that also done to keep down the water draw?


89 posted on 10/27/2014 11:12:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: thackney

I live 30 miles South West of Shitcago.


90 posted on 10/27/2014 11:21:32 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: thackney

Yes, the oil is on top of the water so you are pumping all the oil that is being produce so you don’t build a head of oil over the top of your pump.

You try to hit the sweet spot where you keep a small oil head over your pump so you don’t pump dry but not so much that you have to pump a lot of water to get to the oil head.


91 posted on 10/27/2014 11:21:40 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350
Thanks, I understand the coning effect if you draw too fast relative to movement through the reservoir.

I didn't know if using the timer was an effective way to stay below out of that curve. Sounds like it is.

Sounds like there are several reasons to not have the pump running as someone drives by, while still keeping the well in operation.

92 posted on 10/27/2014 11:33:41 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Lower prices on shipped goods (everything)


My costs for shipping just keep going up. Probably union contracts or something like that.


93 posted on 10/27/2014 11:38:39 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: usconservative
Last week gasoline by me was down to $2.89/gallon. The suddenly, magically overnight it went up to $3.24/gal.

Interesting the average in the area did not jump like that.


94 posted on 10/27/2014 11:42:11 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Keep this in mind; if the cost of a barrel of oil goes under $70.00 the Russians start to feel it. When that happens who knows what happens; but with Obama in “charge” it won’t be good.


95 posted on 10/27/2014 11:48:24 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: thackney

What are some of the efficiencies that the industry has added? How will going with a pipeline help? Allowing exports?


96 posted on 10/27/2014 11:57:29 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: thackney

You might get more oil if you pump 24/7 and move the hell out of fluid, but the cost of electricity, salt water disposal, and the biggy the cost of wear and tear on the pump, rods, and tubing plus the cost of workover rigs to get pumping again also has to be considered.

You can actually make more profit by pumping less.


97 posted on 10/27/2014 11:58:19 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: SeekAndFind

The commies in Venezuela are going to be in a tight spot. They won’t have much wealth to spread around.


98 posted on 10/27/2014 12:01:17 PM PDT by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: thackney

Would you like me to upload the picture from my phone which has the date stamp on it? Gas Buddy also has the history, btw. Look at prices in Orland Park/Tinley Park/Homer Glen (all in Illinois) the last two weeks.

Yesterday I paid $2.78/gal in Morris IL on my way back from Starved Rock. Gas price by me is still $3.21/Gal as of this morning.


99 posted on 10/27/2014 12:03:37 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Sounds to me what you want to blame on “big oil” is the choices of a local station operator.


100 posted on 10/27/2014 12:05:35 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer.)
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