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1 posted on 10/25/2014 7:57:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz
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Our GOP County Chair has been pushing much of what you say for a couple of years. ..we are a conservative GOP group...problem I see is it is the corporatists vs the constitutionalists..
I don’t want to give up but until we have a major breakdown (Terrorists, emp, etc) that is exhibit A for Apathetic Americans it will be hard to “educate.” IMHO this election is a watershed one...


124 posted on 10/25/2014 10:15:54 AM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods)
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But it was tried here in SoCal for several decades, and while I do know some Latino Americans who are conservative, it doesn’t “take” with the majority of Hispanics even as many do retain a general “religiousness.” Like Anglo Christians and Jews, they still often live a pretty secular life, using religion for holidays and life events only.

A lot of hispanic women are more into feminism almost as a reaction to their men. A lot of poor Hispanics just want goodies.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t try but it didn’t work that well even for the Bushes. My friend’s elderly hispanic father-in-law was the biggest Obama supporter I ever saw. Still likes him.


125 posted on 10/25/2014 10:16:54 AM PDT by Yaelle
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We may never get a majority but I agree that they are ripe for us to make deep inroads.

We just need people who are prepared to make the case, and not pander. Its hard enough to find people who will even make the case to their own base, much less make the case to people outside the base. And almost every feeble attempt at outreach seems to involve pandering, which is insulting to the kind of people we are trying to reach.

You have to understand the basic perceptions of the people you are talking to, understand where they are coming from. But you can make the case, you just have to do it. Don’t assume they won’t listen, I’ve had good luck explaining conservative policies to south americans at least. In most cases they have never heard anyone make the case. Like most people they get all their news from mainstream news which is uniformly leftist in orientation, so no one has ever made the case to them. Once they’ve heard conservatism explained, a fair percentage accept it straight away. It is, after all, logical and principled. Logical and principled people don’t have any problem understanding it once it is presented.

But fat chance finding a politician who is prepared to stand up and present conservatism. There aren’t many Ted Cruz’s out there, sadly. A Mitch McConnell would never persuade anyone, he wouldn’t even try.

Just think, though, how many hispanics are in Rush’s audience, a tremendous number, and he isn’t even trying to attract that demographic. He just talks to people as people.


134 posted on 10/25/2014 10:34:47 AM PDT by marron
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I’ve wondered this too, Hispanics tending to be religious.
The Left may recognize this, and it’s one reason they’re pushing the tolerance and promotion of illegal immigration as a trump move.


135 posted on 10/25/2014 10:41:21 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (You know what, just do it.)
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I wish I could agree with this but I recently returned from living 7 months in a small city in Mexico. I lived with a Mexican family and got a real taste of the culture.

I found them to be beyond socialistas. They were more like communists in their way of thinking.....always marching in the streets for unions and to maintain nationalization of oil.

They are forever marching in the streets for communist causes. I can’t emphasize that enough.

They blame us for their poverty. One of the neighbors has a photograph of the twin towers burning posted on his living room wall.

Many (not all) are extreme La Raza racists.

As for family values, I agree that the women have good family values. The men seem devoted to sex and alcohol. With the exception of Jehovah’s Witnesses, every single man that I was introduced to had a long history of promiscuity and a sense that they are entitled to have as many women as they want.

I found them to be sneaky and unwilling to take responsibility for their actions. I believe it is part of their culture to place blame on others for everything.

I am only generalizing, of course, but this does describe the majority.

I’m not posting this to be argumentative.....sorry if it seems that way.


137 posted on 10/25/2014 10:48:46 AM PDT by Wage Slave
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You’re dreaming Laz

-from occupied California


149 posted on 10/25/2014 11:17:46 AM PDT by Pelham ("This is how they do it in Mexico"- California State Motto)
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Mexicans will vote overwhelmingly democrat.

The guy who writes the column is totally clueless as to who these folks are.

The only way the pubbies could turn the mexicans would be to tag the democrats as aztec practioners of human sacrifice ruled by homosexual priests in the service of quetzel gods.

All of which is true.

But most people are as clueless of realities as this writer so few can recognize the truth much less say it.


154 posted on 10/25/2014 11:39:20 AM PDT by ckilmer (q)
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Citing the Pew Nativity and Legal Status Summary, from the PewResearch Hispanic Trends Project, 73% of Hispanics in the US are citizens.

A further 11% have legal resident status, and 16% are illegal or other.

Of the 73% that are US citizens, 64% are native born, and 9% are naturalized.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2013/12/19/on-immigration-policy-deportation-relief-seen-as-more-important-than-citizenship/ph-2013-12-immigration-a1-03/

Unfortunately there is a tendency by some “conservatives” to speak in disparaging terms or assume the mere mention of an Hispanic surname means an illegal immigrant.

I only said “some” and cite these statistics as educational and informational.


156 posted on 10/25/2014 11:58:32 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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In 1896, the Democratic and Populist parties merged. Because the Republican Civil War coalition was in tatters, the current wisdom of the day was that this merger would create a new electoral wave that would guarantee Democratic dominance for a generation. This was further emphasized when the Democrats nominated former Nebraska congressman and Populist William Jennings Bryan for President.

One man disagreed. Marcus Aurelius Hanna was the Republican chair of Ohio who had just been made chairman of the Republican National Committee in Washington. Marc Hanna understood that the country was rapidly industrializing, the farms were emptying into the cities, and the Democratic Party’s base in the cities was based on immigrants. Immigration was proceeding at full speed, a situation that would remain until the Simpson Act closed those doors in 1924.

The problem, as Hanna saw it, was that the Populists were an agrarian party opposed to immigration. In the South, the Populists had spearheaded the Jim Crow laws, and many Populists wanted to send immigrants back to their origination points in Europe and Asia. While the Populists were economic radicals in favor of nationalizing the railroads and vast swaths of American industry, they were social conservatives hooked on biblical fundamentalism and culturally out of step with the cities.

This is where Hanna saw an opportunity. By turning their party hostile to immigrants and immigration, the Democrats would have to give up their urban base built on immigrants.

Marc Hanna sent Republican organizers who spoke the native language of the immigrants into the cities to create Italian-American, German-American, Polish-American and Lithuanian-American Republican clubs. Immigrants fresh off the boat were recruited into these clubs even though they could not vote. These clubs educated immigrants in both American and Republican principles, and they shepherded these immigrants all the way through the naturalization process to the voting booth. Immigrants were happy to be greeted by people speaking their native tongue and welcoming them into the American political process. My paternal grandfather was recruited right off the boat from Sicily in 1908 into the Italian-American Republican Club of Philadelphia, and as a result his family remained Republicans even through the Great Depression.

Hanna’s ploy worked. William McKinley won a landslide victory over Bryan in 1896 by winning the cities. The new Republican coalition built by Hanna held on until the Great Depression crushed it in 1932 – except for the party split that elected Wilson twice.

Recruiting Hispanics may be a very good idea, but it has to be done right.

165 posted on 10/25/2014 1:08:38 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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Protestant Latins are almost always conservatives. BTW, why is it that Italians are not considered Latins here? Aren’t they actually the ORIGINAL Latins?


169 posted on 10/25/2014 2:38:09 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Kim Jong Un last seen on a buffet line)
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Obama will issue an Executive Order Amnesty later in 2014, illegally, of course.

How long to get this to the Supreme Court for overturning?

172 posted on 10/25/2014 2:59:51 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Kim Jong Un last seen on a buffet line)
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The Hispanic demographic is ripe for a conservative takeover.

One answer to this nonsense: Mexifornia.

180 posted on 10/25/2014 7:36:36 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is treason. Its agents are traitors.)
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Hit it!


182 posted on 10/25/2014 7:43:02 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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They tend to have fled from countries that embrace socialism and police-state tactics on the part of the government. In Atlanta, Georgia, I run into a lot of Hispanics, and they are mostly as I describe. They seem to be 'natural conservatives', and if we explain it to them, we may bring them to our side.

I'm not too sure about that. Human nature is the same all over. They may hate the control that socialism brings, but do they want to give up the "free stuff"? The EBT cards, 0bamacare , 0bama phones are all great incentives to stay socialist. Most of the average leftists don't connect those things with the NSA, loss of rights , and identity politics that comes with a leftist government.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, as bad as 0bama et al is, he's still a damn sight better than the crap holes they came from. They'd rather vote for his party than the party that preaches freedom along with responsibility as opposed to "free stuff" and no responsibility.

190 posted on 10/30/2014 7:11:41 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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