The Establishment Almost Had Me

freedomoutpost.com ^ | 10/24/14

[C. Edmund Wright]

Meanwhile, their coffers have been drained battling us, and their selected candidates are struggling across the country.

This speaks to two very critical points. A: Primary campaigns should not be aimed at your Primary opponent - they should be aimed at the Democrat. And then, whichever Republican runs the best against the Democrat should get the nod. When you do that, you set yourself up for success.

Republican Committees (House and Senate Campaign Committees) should NOT spend money in primaries. And Super PACs shouldn't either, except for supporting point A.

[SoConPubbie]

I am willing to work with GOP-e (and even fight them if necessary) to defeat the commies.

And I see them for what they are, traitors to conservatism, and a road-block to conservative governance.

[Maceman]

You're full of crap.

Well, that is a cogent, well reasoned argument of your position, and one well worth an equally cogent counter argument. So here it is: you're a complete idiot. Point one to Maceman.

EVERY Republican voted against Obamcare. Obamacare is a reality because people like you wouldn't vote for the "establishment" Republicans in enough states and allowed Democrats to have a super majority in the Senate.

Well, again -- for the umpteenth time since you first blamed me for the passage of Obamacare -- I voted a straight Republican ticket in 2008, and again in 2012. So my hands are clean on that issue. If you blame me again, you will only further underscore my earlier point, which again, is that you are an idiot.

Republicans in the Senate WERE stopping radical leftist judges from being nominated onto courts to the point Harry Reid had invoke the nuclear option to get them approved.

That was then, this is NOW. Apparently, in spite of the many times I have posted this tidbit from John McCain regarding what a Republican Senate will look like in 2015, you have missed it. So here it is again: “I will work very hard to go back to 60 votes,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who boldly predicts a Republican Senate would process Obama’s nominees “more rapidly than [Democrats] do today.”

If you can't look ahead two years and see the value of a Republican-controlled Senate in the event a conservative gets elected President, you're not very bright.

I am trying to be sympathetic to your evidently very limited capacity for making reasoned arguments, and so from this point will ignore your repetitive assertions regarding what you clearly perceive to my mental deficiencies.

But I have, in fact, laid out a very clear projection of how I view the next two years if the Republicans win the Senate, to wit:

The Republican Senate will just give the Obama administration BI-PARTISAN COVER for the next two years leading up to the 2016 presidential elections. Moreover, a Republican Senate victory will prove to the big government loving RINOcrats that they don't need the conservative base, on whom they have declared outright WAR, so you can forget about them becoming more conservative anytime soon.

I should add that I do not share what I see as your far-fetched and overly optimistic assessment regarding the chances of the GOPe allowing a conservative candidate to win the 2016 nomination, after having demonstrated that they can win the Senate in 2014 by waging war on conservatives in general and the Tea Party in particular.

What we have seen is eight years of your strategy of letting Democrats win elections make things much worse.

Well, actually, what we have seen is eight years of what happens when the GOPe shoves RINOcrat moderates/leftists down our throats in election after election -- which is to say, conservatives lose and leftists win. We also see what happens with eight years of Republicans failing to even bother to even make arguments to counter the repeated idiotic assertions of the left. Actually, make that 16-years, if you include that 8-years during which President GW Bush followed Karl Rove's apparent advice to just be a national punching bag without making any effort to defend any conservative position.

What the hell is YOUR strategy? You have none.

Well, my strategy may not be as elegant as yours, which apparently consists of two major elements: 1) calling me names; and 2) continuing the endless Charlie Brown/Lucy cycle of voting for RINOs to continue the pretty much unbroken string of electoral losses and enable the GOPe to firmly entrench its control of the Republican Party while waging war on conservatives.

The irony, being, of course, that but for the Tea Party John Boehner would have been House leader for the last 6 six years.

But in fact, I DO have a strategy, which I have repeatedly laid out in multiple posts, and in support of which I have offered reasoned arguments that you have apparently not ever bothered to read.

My strategy is this: Stop voting for RINOs, force the Republican establishment to accept the reality that they cannot win elections without the support of a committed, motivated conservative base, thereby forcing them to become a force conservative governance and for the restoration of our nation of liberty, free markets and Constitutional law.

You may not like my strategy. You may not think it will work. But it IS a strategy. Which is more than you have offered in all your vituperative if otherwise inconsequential prose.

[Maceman]

Please note that in my haste to complete my response to your most recent assault on my intellect, I inadvertently left out a word.

Please note that the offending sentence should read: "The irony being, of course, that but for the Tea Party John Boehner would have been House minority leader for the last 6 six years."

[JSDude1]

So you’d rather have Harry Reid continue to control the Senate (and set national agenda-especially with Obama as President for the next 2 years) than to work with someone like Susan Collins?

[SoConPubbie]

So you’d rather have Harry Reid continue to control the Senate (and set national agenda-especially with Obama as President for the next 2 years) than to work with someone like Susan Collins?

My politics are driven by my principles, not the other way around.

Being a Christian, it is my duty, and my desire, to live my life according to the precepts and principles laid out by my Savior and Heavenly Father.

As a Christian, I cannot be a pragmatist on issues that God has issued commands on, namely Homosexuality and Abortion explicitly, other conservative issue positions, like being against Socialized Medicine and Amnesty are implied by Christian principles.

My vote choices have to be driven by this approach or I can no longer call myself a Christian (Christ-Like).

This means if someone is supporting Abortion and/or the Gay Agenda, I can under no circumstances vote for that person. In that scenario, I have other options that will not displease my Heavenly Father. There are third-party candidates whose policy positions do not violate my Christian conservative principles.

For example, if I lived in Maine, and Susan Collins was up for election this year, I could not vote for her because of her ungodly positions on these issues. I would have to vote for a third-party candidate.

If that means that the Senate stays in the Democrat's hands, so be it, I've kept my honor and my relationship with my Heavenly Father intact.

It's up to the GOP to put up candidates that will represent me, not the other way around, I'm not obligated to vote GOP, just because they are Republican.

I don't compromise my principles just because someone has an 'R' next their name.

If I did, they'd be more like mere suggestions rather than principles.

[JSDude1]

Not asking you to compromise, I too am a Christian saved by Grace through Faith, but I am willing to work with non Christians in certain cerci stances to advance our shared political goals without giving up principle. Work with them when we can to accomplish certain political goals, FIGHT them when necessary!

[82nd Bragger]

Pretty good...seems like both of us were blessed with good weather the last couple of days. While you were hunting deer, I was hunting dollars (working). I sure hope you’re far enough away from the zoo called Atlanta. BTW, I’m a Georgia boy...grew up in Fulton, moved to Dekalb in 1970, and left in ‘82 to join the US Army. As I’m sure you already know, Atlanta has gotten much worse than when I grew up there. Of course, I’m currently stuck is a big lib land (MD), so moving south will be a priority next year. Anyway, prayers to you and family/friends.

[rmlew]

A communist plant. Wonderful.
The time to take out the corporatist whores, globalists, etc is in the primaries.

[trebb]

At least you have thought it out and have a long-range plan to work towards. many have a no RINO, no way philosophy which may be a long-term goal, but it will never come to fruition if they give all the seats to Dems in the interim “as a matter of principle” - that is a sure-fire losing strategy and we have proof sitting in the WH; we have had our Freedoms and the Constitution trampled more in the last 6 years than in since LBJ started his Great Society ruse on the Blacks. I’m for busting butt to get the best primary candidates possible, voting for what we end up with, pressuring those who are in to support conservatism/Tea Party philosophies. Rinse/repeat...