[Texan5]

And he was right-both are counter productive, so why have either one?

The way to get rid of that 50% who won’t even try to go to work or open a cottage business that only costs the printing of business cards is to give charity back to the churches, where-according to my parents, and all I’ve read-it worked until LBJ f***ed it up.

And close the damn border-there are these guys called “Border Patrol” that have kick ass boats, 4WD vehicles, lots of firepower and the power to arrest and detain mojados-we need to let them do the job WE pay them for...

[morphing libertarian]

where do I sign?

[Ohioan]

The way to get rid of that 50% who won’t even try to go to work or open a cottage business that only costs the printing of business cards is to give charity back to the churches, where-according to my parents, and all I’ve read-it worked until LBJ f***ed it up.

You are on the mark on that. It is an ignored and overlooked truth. Note Jefferson's comment on how Welfare worked in Virginia in 1782: Jefferson On Welfare.

William Flax