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To: naturalman1975

Um - no - language immersion is by far the best means to promote the development of any language. Having the English speakers accompany would have been a far better opportunity for those attempting to learn - if that was really what they were trying to do.

I speak Japanese & Chinese sufficiently to conduct business because of immersion. I know minimal Spanish because it was only through a classroom environment without immersion.


37 posted on 10/23/2014 7:03:55 AM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: reed13k
Yes, immersion is important. And these kids get that. These kids are generally in an English speaking, English using classroom - for 99% of their school year. They get immersion.

But you still get faster results if you also build vocab in other ways by exposure.

My wife is considered a top experts in the field of English teaching. By the end of primary school (age 12), her students are, on average 2.4 years ahead of where they are expected to be in English skills. Her ESL students make progress at just under twice the average rate for ESL students. She has been reading the comments in this thread and almost tearing her hair out in frustration at the misunderstandings she's seeing here.

Having the English speaking kids accompanying these classes in the belief that this will be good for the non-English speaking kids is yet another example of simply using the English speaking kids as tools to teach the non-English speakers. The reason to take kids out of the classroom on excursions or incursions should be because it has an educational benefit for them not just to benefit other children. A lesson designed to build vocab in non English speaking children - and that is what this was and what it was designed to be - has no value for English speaking children.

38 posted on 10/23/2014 1:41:00 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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